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    J.C and Camaro Safety

    Interesting video by my Fav' online engineer John Cadogan regarding Camaro crash safety .

    As much as I like and respect J.C.'s work , I suspect he's pushing a personal barrow on this one ... as with the Mustang , buyers are interested in the performance / style / muscle rather than any ANCAP safety rating !!

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    I think the guy is a knob. I CBF'd watching his latest wheel barrow push. But based on your comments above, I personally would not buy anything that didn't have a 5 star safety rating. Especially if it was over $100k. Both my kids have purchased a brand new car each in the last 12 months (One delivered yesterday), 5 star safety and LDW, Autonomous braking and a host of other safety features. One was $19,990 and the other $21,990. There is no excuse for a lack of all of the above on any car above these price points.
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    I agree with voodoo - if the Japanese & Koreans for example can bring out budget priced 5 star safety rated
    cars then there is no excuse that the Americans cant...
    Once upon a time a cars safety rating wouldn't enter my mind at purchase - funny how one's
    thinking changes with age....

    Who else remembers the VB Commodore crash test???
    How many here have owned/still own a VB to VL Commodore???
    It is amazing anyone ever survived a crash..

    Here's the link - watch & be amazed....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgjtSilW8yM
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    Not interested in chasing his video down for a look given the other comments, anyone got any notes?

    I suspect the pricing would have gotten even more out of control had HSV chased an ANCAP rating. Is there a US equivalent to the ANCAP?

    Just because it is not tested on an Australian standard does not mean the vehicle is unsafe, however, I do understand that they have removed things like lane departure because they couldn't get it to work on the RHD cars (that said, I have lane departure off permanently in my daily as I can't stand it).

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    Two main issues ... and these are NOT my words !

    First : The removal of electronic lane departure and other electronic warning systems means it will never achieve 5 stars and HSV weren't prepared to have that situation arise.

    Second: The original engineering structure was for LHD , and even tho the HSV conversion work is not in doubt or question , the offset frontal collision testing has not been done and nor will it.

    Despite this , the vehicle is still deemed safe for ADR compliance.

    Given the 2 comments above regarding 5 star ratings in budget vehicles , this may be an issue for HSV .... or as I stated in original post , people who buy muscle cars are wanting the driving experience , not ANCAP or economy.
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    I think this article sums up HSV's (and most buyer's) perspective pretty well.

    https://www.goauto.com.au/news/chevr...-28/75707.html

    In particular, this quote If your buying criteria is I need AEB or I need lane-keep a s sist, its probably not the car for you.

    Spending a million dollars (which would then be split amongst their low volume of vehicles) to come out with a 2 or 3 star rating simply because it doesn't have AEB or lane departure is beyond pointless IMO.

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    My only beef and this goes for the other high end cars as well, you only get a 3 year warranty, a 5 year would go along way.

    E:G The reason I brought a 3rd car was 7 year warranty (VF Redline).
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    U can extend most manufactures warranty if still within warranty period

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    True however the after purchase extended warranty can be a joke and nothing like EXTENDING sounds.
    Costly and covers very little ie seat and mirror motors not covered.
    Plus the driveline is then over serviced to maintain your $2k outlay.
    Last edited by Andrew_02; 14-06-2019 at 03:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTS2017 View Post
    My only beef and this goes for the other high end cars as well, you only get a 3 year warranty, a 5 year would go along way.

    E:G The reason I brought a 3rd car was 7 year warranty (VF Redline).
    It doesn't really make much sense that they don't offer a 5 year. They're 5 in the states and every other Holden are 5 now aren't they? 3 year warranties went out of fashion years ago, 5 is the norm now.







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