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  1. #1
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    Low cost supercharging the VF - Obvious oxymoron?

    After my local servicing specialist said 10-11k would only get a W407 (cam) kit. Some big name summernats builders in ACT didn't return calls. I saw this WASP kit which in my area is a collaboration between Bobby Brown (Shoalhaven performance), and Graham Rodgers, they are Mustang discards from the US where blower up grading is common. Bobby and Graham have made the proposition bolt on to LS engines, and probably target the VE and pre VE market. In contrast both seem gentlemen to deal with and put up with questions etc.

    WASP Eaton M122h

    https://www.facebook.com/ls.tuning/p...7577092861816/

    They offer a Mustang TVS 2300 upgrade that obviously interested me more.

    Putting an old blower on a modern platform like the VF. Well executed like this M1900 on this VF
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbMyfRlSoaU&t=17s Marks youtube station seems to have a large range of older now cheaper blowers going well on VE and pre VE, as well as current LSA/Magnuson Heart beat upgrades. He's on the wrong side of the country for me.

    This type of blower could be obtained on EBay etc as a discard these days.

    For a VF now a last gen vehicle itself, should it only be Harrop (TVS anyway)/Walkinshaw (Edelbrock less money on on Ebay) Lastest gen blowers are around upward displacement/cooler IAT blowers are around. I made a big miss on a used LSA build. Getting an LSA does not appear hard with research and digging. LSA upgrades are plentiful on this forum.The Modern Magnusson heart beat seems a grail I note many buy this "best blower" and run low boost and 2 and half inch exhaust after a very high start up price.

    Does the VF know the brand of of its boost or is boost just boost?
    Last edited by SenatorW; 03-02-2019 at 01:07 PM.

  2. #2
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    Hi SenatorW some well versed Eastern States forum members will help you out once they read your post.

    I recommend you let the guys know your town, details of your car LS3 with 325FWKW? and what you want to pay
    and why, that is what you want to achieve.

    In part I'm going through the same situation, as I take forum members
    advice, I have started to change my mind and do a bit more than planned, not wanted to have a second go.
    If someone was telling me the figures you mentioned I would look at the LSA swap that, a few years ago went
    "on sale" going from 20 to 15k for the swapout, engine only so that could mean you need the exhaust etc, but I'm sure
    the LSA exhaust are put in the bin, same for the airbox etc when LSA owners upgrade, even the 1900's are removed for
    TT's. You can read want you want on google and ebay if you look long enough, I read last night the LSA blower in the states can go for as low as 500usd I'll bet you would not find one for that price.
    Forum members may even say go down the rebuild without a blower. I recommend you take the advice of what workshops to use and the actual people to work on your car! Cheers

  3. #3
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    The results will vary with the method of how you're making boost. So you may make X amount of hp with an older blower but may make another 30-50hp with a more efficient blower.
    I would opt for a used LSA blower rather than an ex-Mustang TVS. If you're looking at 15-20k for an LSA engine swap, you'd have to consider swapping to an F2 as you'll get the stronger driveline to suit.

    10k for a cam kit is ridiculous, ditch the Walky name and you'll get it done a lot cheaper but bear in mind if you're looking at supercharging or camming it, you'll still need an intake and exhaust so that will likely be a large portion of that 10k.
    If you're in the ACT, take the drive to NSW and see Ben at MotorTorque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by white_lie View Post
    The results will vary with the method of how you're making boost. So you may make X amount of hp with an older blower but may make another 30-50hp with a more efficient blower.
    I would opt for a used LSA blower rather than an ex-Mustang TVS. If you're looking at 15-20k for an LSA engine swap, you'd have to consider swapping to an F2 as you'll get the stronger driveline to suit.

    10k for a cam kit is ridiculous, ditch the Walky name and you'll get it done a lot cheaper but bear in mind if you're looking at supercharging or camming it, you'll still need an intake and exhaust so that will likely be a large portion of that 10k.
    If you're in the ACT, take the drive to NSW and see Ben at MotorTorque.
    Ben's shop develop their own cams in conjunction with a couple of guys from this forum. These guys are all over fast LS's

    I agree. Take a drive to Brookvale.
    GTSR Maloo

  5. #5
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    When any turbocharger or supercharger compresses air the byproduct of compressing that air is heat.

    After the air is heated and it can get extremely hot (motec logs have shown 165c exiting the rotor pack on stock 9psi boost on an LSA after a dyno run) the goal is to lower this temperature as efficiently as possible.

    Most modern blowers are upwards discharge being that the intercooler is far away from the engine heat source.
    In this case of the upwards discharge blower the intercooler fluid has a colder starting temperature prior to entering boost.
    As an example an LSA blower (without a chiller) will run 7-10c above the ambient air temp at highway speeds.

    An equivalent 1900,2300,2650, 2.9L, 4L supercharger will not be uncommon to have intake temps in the range of 40-60c IAT regardless of what the ambient conditions are due to the simple fact engine heat is absorbing directly into the intercooler.

    These “issues” can be helped with the use of blower spacer plates and thermal blankets, however this makes a bad blower better...not good just better.

    Where as if the same plates and blanket were applied to an upwards discharge blower they make a good blower great.

    I’ve imported LSA blowers for myself and they cost me anywhere from $3000-$4000 depending on how modified (ported) I want it to be. I’ve got another one on its way it will be here in a couple of weeks.

    Ive always got shops and people asking me for them so I’ve rarely had to advertise them for sale.

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    I'm looking at supercharging my VF in August. I'm keen on the heartbeat because everywhere I look says that's the one with the lowest IATs, and I have an LS3 so it'll get me to where I want to be and it'll get me there on lower boost.

    I've been quoted $14k + drive in drive out for just the heartbeat, (cam kit also needed on top of that cost). I can get the kit myself for 11k from vcm. I have the fitting instructions, which are very detailed and easy to follow, I'm handy on the tools so I'm now strongly considering doing this install myself and saving $3k. I'll then trailer the car to the tuner, who will do a cam install and tune.

    Has anyone on here done their own heartbeat install?

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    Dan another option to consider is the more boost friendly LSA crate engine, it's about 12k.
    Compared to the high compression LS3 you can crank up the boost without as much concern since its a low compression engine built for boost.

    A 3rd option is a far cheaper LSA blower itself.

    The best thing in this LS industry is you have a million options

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenF-GTS View Post
    Dan another option to consider is the more boost friendly LSA crate engine, it's about 12k.
    Compared to the high compression LS3 you can crank up the boost without as much concern since its a low compression engine built for boost.

    A 3rd option is a far cheaper LSA blower itself.

    The best thing in this LS industry is you have a million options


    Hey GenF, yeah its good to be LS! I've considered both alternate options, the engine swap would def be the best but also the most expensive by quite some margin unfortunately. The reason I steered clear of the LSA blower was the higher speeds required to get to the same power levels, and since I have the higher compression engine the heartbeat won the choice.

    This will likely be a staged build anyway, and when the stock internals start getting worn I'll likely stroke / rebuild forged so the heartbeat can then be dialed up and really deliver some boost.

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    If you're handy on the tools and understand the instructions, then just do it. I was going to do my own install many many moons ago but work commitments just kept pushing my plans back so I dropped the car off and picked it up again when I returned from work.

  10. #10
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    Hi All,

    I'm looking into purchasing a LSA blower and required ancillaries to bolt onto my VF LS3. Does anyone know of good places in the US or here to purchase the required bits at a reasonable price?

    Cheers







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