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    Vt hsv coding keys - help needed

    Hello,

    I have a 1998 VT Senator 220i

    I have 1 x working key and also have the tag that goes in the glove box to disable the security system.

    I have a scanning tool (snap-on) to reprogram new keys and not having any luck. I have 2 new keys, coded them. They unlock and lock the car but DO NOT start the car. only my original key will start the car.

    any ideas?
    Still looking for a 5th anniversary 5000i if anyone spots one for sale or any other good VP that might be good for my collection...maybe another GTS would be good....haha mobile : 0428239431 if someone could drop me a text if a super special deal pops up that would be great.

    VQ Statesman 5000i 5th Anniversary #9 - GALAXYBLUE
    VP Senator 5000i #086 - Alaskan White
    VP Senator 5000i #109 - Quartz
    VP GTS #123 - Alaskan White
    VT Senator 220i #314 - Herron White

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    I found this information online from another group, i think its very good information and it pointed me in the right direction. Hope it can help someone else.



    From Holden Techline

    There have been three different types of security systems fitted to HSV vehicles in addition to the standard Holden security.

    1. Imbedded Security System (ISS) – Non passive: Fitted to VS Series 2 vehicles.
    Has three barrel shaped keys (two black and one red) which can be plunged into the key pad in the centre console. The black barrel key needs to be plunged on every start up. The red barrel key is used to introduce replacement or additional black barrel keys to the ISS.

    2. Imbedded Security System (ISS) – Passive: Fitted to VS Series 3 and VT Series 1 vehicles.
    Has three barrel shaped keys (two black and one red) which can be plunged into the key pad in the glove box. This system does not require the black barrel key to be plunged on start up. The red key is used for introducing new ignition keys or additional black barrel keys to the ISS. If no red barrel keys are available to introduce new ignition keys then the black barrel key will need to be used every time the vehicle is started. If neither red nor black barrel keys are available the complete ISS system will need to be replaced. ISS red keys are not available separately as they are individually coded to their modules and can only be purchased as part of a complete ISS kit. Therefore if an owner needs a new ignition key but cannot provide the red barrel key the only option can be to remove and replace the ISS system. Dealers should try to ensure that when trading in or selling any of the above vehicles the ISS keys are passed on with the vehicle to save your customers and Service Departments inconvenience.

    3. Embedded Security System (ESS) – Passive: Fitted to VT Series 2 to VZ vehicles.
    Is a totally passive system requiring no owner input or extra keys. All diagnosis for ESS systems can be accessed on Holden SIP under HSV Models Section J Options and Accessories. When linking new keys to an old BCM or vice versa, a link enable procedure will be required. The link enable procedure is generated by Australian Arrow and their phone number is available at the end of the ESS diagnostic procedure in Holden SIP.


    HSV EMBEDDED SECURITY SYSTEM
    The HSV Embedded Security System (ESS) is a micro-processor controlled immobiliser which automatically interrupts four essential electrical circuits when in armed mode, preventing the vehicle from starting. The ESS stores important security codes and every time the vehicle is started it reads these codes. If any of these codes are different from the stored codes the ESS emits five beeps, enters armed mode, and prevents the vehicle from starting. If the ESS receives the correct codes it emits a single beep and allows the vehicle to start.

    Operation of the ESS requires no extra input from the owner above the normal procedure of starting the vehicle. When ignition is switched off the module automatically enters armed mode. Disarming the system is achieved simply by inserting a correct key into the ignition barrel and turning it to the on position. Confirmation of the disarm is provided by a single beep. Conversely, if the vehicle enters armed mode when the ignition is turned on five beeps are emitted.

    The ESS has been designed so that in the event of power loss to the system (flat battery or theft attempt) it will return to the same operating state when power is restored. For example, if the system is operating in armed mode when the power is interrupted, it will return to the armed condition when power is restored.

    To further enhance vehicular security the module is placed in a difficult to access location and is embedded into the vehicles main wiring harness. All wiring to the module is the same colour and of the same wire gauge.

    A Security Information Card is supplied with the vehicle which contains the ESS PIN. This PIN is required by the authorised service agent in the event of either a Body Control Module (BCM) replacement or if new keys need to be programmed to the vehicle. The service agent contacts Australian Arrow Pty Ltd quoting this PIN. They then get the PIN converted to a particular security code which corresponds to a sequence of vehicular functions. By performing this sequence, which is different for every vehicle, the vehicle can be fitted with a new BCM or have new keys programmed to it. There are approximately 60,000 different codes available.

    The HSV ESS is an electronic immobiliser which derives its main power feed from the car battery. However, the current consumption when the ignition is turned off is zero so there will be no adverse effects to your car battery.
    Still looking for a 5th anniversary 5000i if anyone spots one for sale or any other good VP that might be good for my collection...maybe another GTS would be good....haha mobile : 0428239431 if someone could drop me a text if a super special deal pops up that would be great.

    VQ Statesman 5000i 5th Anniversary #9 - GALAXYBLUE
    VP Senator 5000i #086 - Alaskan White
    VP Senator 5000i #109 - Quartz
    VP GTS #123 - Alaskan White
    VT Senator 220i #314 - Herron White

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    Anyone know what this ISS looks like and where i can find it on the car, how to replace it?
    any information would be helpful.
    Still looking for a 5th anniversary 5000i if anyone spots one for sale or any other good VP that might be good for my collection...maybe another GTS would be good....haha mobile : 0428239431 if someone could drop me a text if a super special deal pops up that would be great.

    VQ Statesman 5000i 5th Anniversary #9 - GALAXYBLUE
    VP Senator 5000i #086 - Alaskan White
    VP Senator 5000i #109 - Quartz
    VP GTS #123 - Alaskan White
    VT Senator 220i #314 - Herron White

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    The ISS is the thing in the glove box that you said you have the tag for. Do you have a red or black tag or both? I believe you need the red one to introduce new keys

    If you've only got a black tag, have you tried using it to disable the ISS and starting the car?

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    yes, i only have 1 x black tag. Would you know how easy or hard it is to replace, could i buy a second hand one and fit? I have a snap on scan tool if need to link anything together once installed. I spoke to the old owner today, he said he was never given the red tag.
    Still looking for a 5th anniversary 5000i if anyone spots one for sale or any other good VP that might be good for my collection...maybe another GTS would be good....haha mobile : 0428239431 if someone could drop me a text if a super special deal pops up that would be great.

    VQ Statesman 5000i 5th Anniversary #9 - GALAXYBLUE
    VP Senator 5000i #086 - Alaskan White
    VP Senator 5000i #109 - Quartz
    VP GTS #123 - Alaskan White
    VT Senator 220i #314 - Herron White

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    Never had to do it, so couldn't say how hard it is to replace. There's always issues like this with them though.... If its just for the sake of new keys I couldn't see it being worthwhile.

    I thought locksmiths could copy the actual key program and transfer it to the new fob on the earlier ones but not 100% sure.

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    http://www.hsvforum.com.au/showthrea...ISS-red-dongel
    Some extra info here if you haven't read it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by back in black View Post
    http://www.hsvforum.com.au/showthrea...ISS-red-dongel
    Some extra info here if you haven't read it yet.
    Thank you, no didn't see this thread, I will chase the guy up tomorrow in this thread. He had he's system reprogram it looks.
    Thanks again
    Still looking for a 5th anniversary 5000i if anyone spots one for sale or any other good VP that might be good for my collection...maybe another GTS would be good....haha mobile : 0428239431 if someone could drop me a text if a super special deal pops up that would be great.

    VQ Statesman 5000i 5th Anniversary #9 - GALAXYBLUE
    VP Senator 5000i #086 - Alaskan White
    VP Senator 5000i #109 - Quartz
    VP GTS #123 - Alaskan White
    VT Senator 220i #314 - Herron White

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    As per my thread. No red dongel No key reprogramming. But you should be able to touch the black dongel in the ISS pad and use a new key to override I believe







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