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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenF-GTS View Post
    If your after more power you get the best of both worlds and run E85 + the interchiller it's been proven by 3 different workshops in Australia and the USA and all have achieved similar HP gains.
    so its like drinking beer in the morning AND in the afternoon/evening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trucker View Post
    so its like drinking beer in the morning AND in the afternoon/evening?
    All day all year round no matter what the ambient temp is drink up.

    2014 HSV GenF-GTS fitted with a Forced Induction Interchiller
    http://www.facebook.com/ForcedInductionInterchillers
    Australia's outright Fastest VF GTS & Fastest 6.2L 1900LSA with a stock bottom end
    9.700 @145.22mph 21/June/2017
    V-Box Results 0-100km/h in 2.47sec

    Looking for colder IAT's? we have achieved 11c IAT2 on a 41c day and -8c during winter.
    We have proven cabin AC vent temps are better than GM spec, both IAT2's and vent temps are all on video with nothing to hide.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenF-GTS View Post
    All day all year round no matter what the ambient temp is drink up.
    POW Batman............ there's your answer. no need for any further replies.

    BTW off topic, do you recommend a front mount intercooler such as an item from PWR on the gold coast as a comparison or to be used in conjunction with your kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pir4te View Post
    OK like I said before the first of the Australian chillers like yours was fitted, before it was actually announced here, it is a good idea.

    I'm not trying to change your mind on the purchase either because it produces good results. The fine point here is a clear rejection of the original marketing notion that it MAKES power when it simply MAINTAINS power for seconds longer as intake conditions are cooler.

    The chiller does make more power if we get 2 identical cars, dyno or drag race them the chiller car will have colder intake temps and make more HP.

    Add other power mods like more boost or even E85 and then you make more power again and the chiller comparison of ON/OFF will show a HP difference.

    If you have a 600rwhp car with the chiller YES if you remove the chiller you can still make 600rwhp however you would need to be achieving the SAME intake temps that the chiller provided.

    Regardless of the fuel being used you still have knock limitations based on intake temps, reducing the intake temps means you will not drop HP as ignition timing is not being removed based on intake temps.....hence why IAT tables are used on both fuels. (e.g. making power as temps are colder and ignition timing is being added when temps are low and timing is being maintained when temps are raising ie you are gaining timing.)

    Again 3 workshops are showing E85 + chiller is showing a gain in HP.......YES those HP figures could be achieved without the chiller but AGAIN you would need to be in the same ambient conditions the chiller provides.



    1 step further in drag racing lets say 25c day you get 0c intake temps with the chiller..... awesome
    now you go back without a chiller on a minus -10c day intake temps are at 0c however you do your burnout IAT's are now hot intercooler fluid is heated up and wont come back down from lack of air flow and now the chiller is showing it was worth HP again.

    Again E85 is a good power added and when combined with the chiller you make even more HP or extend the time you can make HP longer however you want to read into it...either way dyno or drag racing you have colder intake temps with chiller + E85 so you run faster or make more power on the dyno.
    Last edited by GenF-GTS; 04-09-2016 at 08:04 PM.

    2014 HSV GenF-GTS fitted with a Forced Induction Interchiller
    http://www.facebook.com/ForcedInductionInterchillers
    Australia's outright Fastest VF GTS & Fastest 6.2L 1900LSA with a stock bottom end
    9.700 @145.22mph 21/June/2017
    V-Box Results 0-100km/h in 2.47sec

    Looking for colder IAT's? we have achieved 11c IAT2 on a 41c day and -8c during winter.
    We have proven cabin AC vent temps are better than GM spec, both IAT2's and vent temps are all on video with nothing to hide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trucker View Post
    POW Batman............ there's your answer. no need for any further replies.

    BTW off topic, do you recommend a front mount intercooler such as an item from PWR on the gold coast as a comparison or to be used in conjunction with your kit?

    No we do not recommend upgrading the front mount intercooler because on a 30c day if our intercooler fluid is 0c then the front mount just becomes a heat source so this is why we have it on a bypass valve and 99% of the year never use the front mount.

    2014 HSV GenF-GTS fitted with a Forced Induction Interchiller
    http://www.facebook.com/ForcedInductionInterchillers
    Australia's outright Fastest VF GTS & Fastest 6.2L 1900LSA with a stock bottom end
    9.700 @145.22mph 21/June/2017
    V-Box Results 0-100km/h in 2.47sec

    Looking for colder IAT's? we have achieved 11c IAT2 on a 41c day and -8c during winter.
    We have proven cabin AC vent temps are better than GM spec, both IAT2's and vent temps are all on video with nothing to hide.

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    If wanting to put E85 on your supercharged GTS, ADM Performance has laid out exactly what is needed here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...14&postcount=6

    Squash Dual 400 lph system (The stock ZL1 Pump is less than 300lph) $874 USD
    http://www.squashperformance.com/201...ystem_p_8.html

    Kennebell Dual boostapump (Comes on at 10 psi) $459 USD
    http://www.revanracing.com/products/...st-a-pump.html

    Weldon regulator $224 USD
    http://www.weldonracing.com/store/!/...22017/category

    Injector dynamics ID-850 $944 USD however probably too small since he quoted they were at 85-87% duty cycle so ID-1000 would be better they are the same price.
    http://store.evans-tuning.com/fuel-d...ehicle_make=47

    In addition to this you need all of the AN fitting and lines allow yourself $800 there....this is if you want to do it properly whilst still on a budget and not buying the boost a pump and voltage boosting the fuel pump as ADM has here. The other option is buying more expensive fuel pumps that do not require voltage boosting.

    So $2501 USD + postage as you cant get it all from one place so lets average that out to say $75 USD per shop which is generous....also take into account this is still cheaper than buying the same parts from Australia.

    so $75 USD x4 shops =$300 USD + $2501 = $2801 USD = about $3800 AUD
    Then plus the $800 for AN fittings and fuel lines $4600 then tuning and then flex fuel sensor too.
    Also plus import duties and taxes + 15-23% on total cost of parts and shipping.


    The chiller doesn't "require" tuning if your tuner is good your IAT table will already be tuned fairly well and a minor adjustment if wanted can be done in 30-60min on the dyno which shouldn't cost an arm and a leg.
    Chiller has also been installed at home by plenty of people since step by step photo and 35min video instructions are provided.


    Back to the moot point, a GTS with E85 and more boost ran just as fast as a GTS with pump 98 and less boost with a chiller, if you add more boost to the chiller car he goes faster again and the E85 has not equaled the power output all mods being equal other than 1 car has E85 and 1 car has a chiller.
    Last edited by GenF-GTS; 04-09-2016 at 10:38 PM.

    2014 HSV GenF-GTS fitted with a Forced Induction Interchiller
    http://www.facebook.com/ForcedInductionInterchillers
    Australia's outright Fastest VF GTS & Fastest 6.2L 1900LSA with a stock bottom end
    9.700 @145.22mph 21/June/2017
    V-Box Results 0-100km/h in 2.47sec

    Looking for colder IAT's? we have achieved 11c IAT2 on a 41c day and -8c during winter.
    We have proven cabin AC vent temps are better than GM spec, both IAT2's and vent temps are all on video with nothing to hide.

  7. #17
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    Did some searching for e85 availability as thought was very poor
    Caltex do Eflex, thankfully Caltex provide website where you can search stations so I searched Eflex and came up with 5 in Sydney
    Yes thats right 5 locations From Drummoyne to Katoomba

    Well lets look at United E85 then, same search area showed 11 stations looking bit better

    Im by no means bias as have a chiller, I said previously I looked at it but the availability has got to be there, some guys have bought in bulk in past with their own drums and mixed up... I can't be bothered with that one, its a hassle.

    Fair play to those that have converted to E85 or plan to, me Im happy with my chiller 25,000+kms still going strong.

    The chiller will work at track for E85 same as it does on 98 the benefits are there for all and everyone to see even those that don't publicly admit it....!!!

    Saying MAKES or MAINTAINS power is all semantics at end of day

    E85 makes more power because it enables you to run more timing than stock before knock etc
    Chiller makes more power as it enables cooler intake temps allowing more timing than there would otherwise be without it
    E85 + Chiller this works even better you again run cooler intake temps allowing more timing than would otherwise be there

    The chiller is there to help at the 1/4mile with keeping intake temps down allowing timing that would otherwise be removed by ECU, that means more power at the same point than without = makes power

    Both work been proved out just last wed at drags, also various tune shops have proven out also.

    FYI zeroing out IAT tables isn't tuning!!!

  8. #18
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    Nick we can just put a top pulley on your car and run it on 98 you'll go faster than the 10.7

    Then we can go E85 and again you'll go even faster and the only difference between you and the other GTS is then only the chiller.

    2014 HSV GenF-GTS fitted with a Forced Induction Interchiller
    http://www.facebook.com/ForcedInductionInterchillers
    Australia's outright Fastest VF GTS & Fastest 6.2L 1900LSA with a stock bottom end
    9.700 @145.22mph 21/June/2017
    V-Box Results 0-100km/h in 2.47sec

    Looking for colder IAT's? we have achieved 11c IAT2 on a 41c day and -8c during winter.
    We have proven cabin AC vent temps are better than GM spec, both IAT2's and vent temps are all on video with nothing to hide.

  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenF-GTS View Post
    Nick we can just put a top pulley on your car and run it on 98 you'll go faster than the 10.7

    Then we can go E85 and again you'll go even faster and the only difference between you and the other GTS is then only the chiller.
    umm a top pulley...... Ill have look at options

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    nickgts if u did run flex u can just buy a barrel of E85 and only use it when u want to i have one now that been in my shed for 10 months and still runs fine so it does keep just fine, also i mentioned zeroing out the IAT table just so people know that there is no point in removing timing at what ever IAT temps if u dont need too, with me on E85 on 40 deg day full boot 15psi i will never see any knock or loss of power so no need to remove any timing, if i was on petrol then id have some taken out at the higher temps if need be, the factory tables are overly safe







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