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Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-12-2008, 06:36 PM
Congrats to J.Richards and Murph, who made it on podium for Holden. tough weekend for the HSV DT though, with Radisich hurting his ankle and crashing Rick's car, then they had a bit of luck, they could partner up Rick with Dumbrell and they qualified 4th, then got up to 2nd, then finished 20th due to taking the car into the garage and were 35 laps behind. Also a tough race for the Toll HRT, 10 sec penalty due to a jump start and then not moving anywhere from the start line due to the clutch slipping, then Skaife crashed the car into the wall, which cost Tander the championship lead. Hopefully we'll have a better race next year.

senatorVIII
10-12-2008, 07:14 PM
So what's the go with Rick Kelly driving for another team? What a joke!!

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-12-2008, 07:16 PM
So what's the go with Rick Kelly driving for another team? What a joke!!

Well although Dumbrell races for autobarn racing it still kinda is the HSV DT as he is in the same garage, with the same pit crew also i am guessing.

VK BROCK SS
10-12-2008, 08:43 PM
So what's the go with Rick Kelly driving for another team? What a joke!!

Its the same team, the Autobarn car is the second HSVDT car.

Cheers

Mark

go hrt
10-12-2008, 09:32 PM
Did the ''KIWIS'' just save us from embarassment today???

duck
10-13-2008, 08:08 AM
No if he saves us from embarassment he is an aussie hero,when he fails he is a kiwi, quite simple

rodders188
10-13-2008, 09:39 AM
No if he saves us from embarassment he is an aussie hero,when he fails he is a kiwi, quite simple

Cant deney the fact hes a kiwi bud sorry if it hurts you, ohh yea Scott ****son is too

HOLDEN 1
10-13-2008, 12:35 PM
It wasn't the result i was looking for but a second from murphy and J Richards will do.
HRT have some issues to sort out, but i am sure Tander will still win the championship thats for sure.

go hrt
10-14-2008, 12:55 AM
New Zealands The Capital Of Australia Right???

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-14-2008, 04:33 PM
New Zealands The Capital Of Australia Right???

Actually, i think its Canberra.

donger47
10-15-2008, 12:44 PM
fords killed us in the race..........comon guys htf did holden let them get 3 out of the first 4 positions.......ford are superior in reliability and power but why??
ford must be kicking our ass over at those ford forums after the debacle on sunday.....

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-15-2008, 04:44 PM
ford must be kicking our ass over at those ford forums after the debacle on sunday.....

We could gatecrash their site :D:D:D

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-18-2008, 09:51 PM
we have a better looking, more reliable, more powerful and cheaper product than holden offers, and with their new engine on the way, the Holden's power, reliability and economy will suffer even further.

I think Skaife's main problem is that he is getting a bit too big for his boots, and hasn't quite realised that he is yesterdays news (and also has a big nose). Skaife is probably the most arrogant person I've ever heard, thinks he's untouchable.

Oh...look who came out of hiding

"better looking, more reliable, more powerful" pfff...dont make me puke. Yes f**ds are cheaper coze there sh**. Just like the saying goes, "god made sh**, f**d put wheels on it."

Pff...Skaife the most arrogant person??? No where near as arrogant and up-himself as lowndes.

Although...i do have to give credit to ford, they circled the problem ;)

go hrt
10-19-2008, 03:01 AM
Do you mind if I call you Hogan? That stands for Holden Bogan. I would call you pimply knocked up teenager loser, but dont like to make things too personal when on the internet.

To the important matter though, how do you plan to back up your claims of holdens being more economical or reliable? Some hard proof would be nice. Oh, no never mind that, I've just got it for you, I'm comparing the VE Omega to the FG Falcon XT here for you;

Falcon has;
15 more kw
61nm more torque
Climate
Bigger motor
5 (FIVE) speed auto
Manual (sequential) auto mode
2 secs faster to 100km/h
$300 cheaper RRP
0.4l/100km better economy
1.3 sec faster 1/4 mile

I got this info off the drive website, being that they use satellite navigation tools to record economy and speeds more accurately than ford or holden claim, just to prove to you how wrong you are. You see, if anyone else had replied I wouldnt have gone through the trouble and would've had a chuckle then left, however, because it's you, I felt as though I needed to teach you a lesson by giving you the raw figures.

Im not asking you to admit that the falcon is a better car, in fact, I'm sure the VE is better in some ways too, however, side curtain airbags as standard is about all I can think of, oh, wait, that was all.

So, "Rick Kelly is awesome!!!", please read through this post a few times just to make sure that you understand what I have said, and if you want proof, I will happily post the links. However, I am curios, just how did you think that a VE was better than an FG? I am genuinely interested. Oh, and guess what, Rick Kelly is a scrawny little runt, but hey, I guess you 2 have something in common.

Lowndes is arrogant you say, well, I guess when you win Bathurst 3 times in a row and you/your team is at the top of the ladder in points, it's ok to be arrogant. Not that he is, I just cant be bothered arguing with such a stupid person over such a stupid thing.

Next time you want to talk crap, make sure you've got something to back it up with.



Edit;;;;
I was going to research holdens new engine and tell you a bit about that, but, seeing as that would embarrass you even more (it has less power and still worse economy), I think I'll keep that one up my sleeve. Its not really fair anyway, as its only in the form of a V8 right now, as it needs a 6 speed gearbox to work properly, and this is, as you know, is non existent behind a V6. However, I do believe that Fords 6 speed ZF auto with sequential is a $1000 or so option. (Available on all models)

Edit;;;;;;
I would expect someone to come back with something about holdens 99c/litre offer. To them I will say that some Ford dealers are offering a $5000 caltex fuel card with any new ford. And the fact that all fords (or might just be Territories) already come with $2000 free fuel. Do the maths with holdens fuel offer, sounds alot better than it actually is.


must be hard to sell a ford if they're doing that!

go hrt
10-19-2008, 03:07 AM
Do you mind if I call you Hogan? That stands for Holden Bogan. I would call you pimply knocked up teenager loser, but dont like to make things too personal when on the internet.

To the important matter though, how do you plan to back up your claims of holdens being more economical or reliable? Some hard proof would be nice. Oh, no never mind that, I've just got it for you, I'm comparing the VE Omega to the FG Falcon XT here for you;

Falcon has;
15 more kw
61nm more torque
Climate
Bigger motor
5 (FIVE) speed auto
Manual (sequential) auto mode
2 secs faster to 100km/h
$300 cheaper RRP
0.4l/100km better economy
1.3 sec faster 1/4 mile

I got this info off the drive website, being that they use satellite navigation tools to record economy and speeds more accurately than ford or holden claim, just to prove to you how wrong you are. You see, if anyone else had replied I wouldnt have gone through the trouble and would've had a chuckle then left, however, because it's you, I felt as though I needed to teach you a lesson by giving you the raw figures.

Im not asking you to admit that the falcon is a better car, in fact, I'm sure the VE is better in some ways too, however, side curtain airbags as standard is about all I can think of, oh, wait, that was all.

So, "Rick Kelly is awesome!!!", please read through this post a few times just to make sure that you understand what I have said, and if you want proof, I will happily post the links. However, I am curios, just how did you think that a VE was better than an FG? I am genuinely interested. Oh, and guess what, Rick Kelly is a scrawny little runt, but hey, I guess you 2 have something in common.

Lowndes is arrogant you say, well, I guess when you win Bathurst 3 times in a row and you/your team is at the top of the ladder in points, it's ok to be arrogant. Not that he is, I just cant be bothered arguing with such a stupid person over such a stupid thing.

Next time you want to talk crap, make sure you've got something to back it up with.



Edit;;;;
I was going to research holdens new engine and tell you a bit about that, but, seeing as that would embarrass you even more (it has less power and still worse economy), I think I'll keep that one up my sleeve. Its not really fair anyway, as its only in the form of a V8 right now, as it needs a 6 speed gearbox to work properly, and this is, as you know, is non existent behind a V6. However, I do believe that Fords 6 speed ZF auto with sequential is a $1000 or so option. (Available on all models)

Edit;;;;;;
I would expect someone to come back with something about holdens 99c/litre offer. To them I will say that some Ford dealers are offering a $5000 caltex fuel card with any new ford. And the fact that all fords (or might just be Territories) already come with $2000 free fuel. Do the maths with holdens fuel offer, sounds alot better than it actually is.

I have a falcon xr6 too but I prefer driving the gts.....it feels alot more manly. The falcon looks like it has good stats but thats not why I bought it....I just needed an everyday shitter to drive around.

go hrt
10-19-2008, 03:10 AM
I must say the fairmont is an ugly car, am glad they don't make em anymore

HSV271
10-19-2008, 09:44 AM
Do you mind if I call you Hogan? That stands for Holden Bogan. I would call you pimply knocked up teenager loser, but dont like to make things too personal when on the internet.

So, "Rick Kelly is awesome!!!",......... Oh, and guess what, Rick Kelly is a scrawny little runt, but hey, I guess you 2 have something in common.

Lowndes is arrogant you say, well, I guess when you win Bathurst 3 times AND I just cant be bothered arguing with such a stupid person over such a stupid thing.

Why are you here(on this forum) 93_eb_fairmont?

Don’t you have anything better to do with your life rather than personally abuse people, cause friction and generally be an annoying forum member?

I for one will be sending Admin a request to http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa307/HSV271/Fun/a0dc7768.gif you permanently from here as your contributions to the site have been ONLY to cause trouble.

go hrt
10-19-2008, 11:38 AM
Why are you here(on this forum) 93_eb_fairmont?

Don’t you have anything better to do with your life rather than personally abuse people, cause friction and generally be an annoying forum member?

I for one will be sending Admin a request to http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa307/HSV271/Fun/a0dc7768.gif you permanently from here as your contributions to the site have been ONLY to cause trouble.

He's from Tasmania! Six finger devil!

VK BROCK SS
10-19-2008, 12:49 PM
Do you mind if I call you Hogan? That stands for Holden Bogan. I would call you pimply knocked up teenager loser, but dont like to make things too personal when on the internet.

To the important matter though, how do you plan to back up your claims of holdens being more economical or reliable? Some hard proof would be nice. Oh, no never mind that, I've just got it for you, I'm comparing the VE Omega to the FG Falcon XT here for you;

Falcon has;
15 more kw
61nm more torque
Climate
Bigger motor
5 (FIVE) speed auto
Manual (sequential) auto mode
2 secs faster to 100km/h
$300 cheaper RRP
0.4l/100km better economy
1.3 sec faster 1/4 mile

I got this info off the drive website, being that they use satellite navigation tools to record economy and speeds more accurately than ford or holden claim, just to prove to you how wrong you are. You see, if anyone else had replied I wouldnt have gone through the trouble and would've had a chuckle then left, however, because it's you, I felt as though I needed to teach you a lesson by giving you the raw figures.

Im not asking you to admit that the falcon is a better car, in fact, I'm sure the VE is better in some ways too, however, side curtain airbags as standard is about all I can think of, oh, wait, that was all.

So, "Rick Kelly is awesome!!!", please read through this post a few times just to make sure that you understand what I have said, and if you want proof, I will happily post the links. However, I am curios, just how did you think that a VE was better than an FG? I am genuinely interested. Oh, and guess what, Rick Kelly is a scrawny little runt, but hey, I guess you 2 have something in common.

Lowndes is arrogant you say, well, I guess when you win Bathurst 3 times in a row and you/your team is at the top of the ladder in points, it's ok to be arrogant. Not that he is, I just cant be bothered arguing with such a stupid person over such a stupid thing.

Next time you want to talk crap, make sure you've got something to back it up with.



Edit;;;;
I was going to research holdens new engine and tell you a bit about that, but, seeing as that would embarrass you even more (it has less power and still worse economy), I think I'll keep that one up my sleeve. Its not really fair anyway, as its only in the form of a V8 right now, as it needs a 6 speed gearbox to work properly, and this is, as you know, is non existent behind a V6. However, I do believe that Fords 6 speed ZF auto with sequential is a $1000 or so option. (Available on all models)

Edit;;;;;;
I would expect someone to come back with something about holdens 99c/litre offer. To them I will say that some Ford dealers are offering a $5000 caltex fuel card with any new ford. And the fact that all fords (or might just be Territories) already come with $2000 free fuel. Do the maths with holdens fuel offer, sounds alot better than it actually is.
I wasn't going to respond to you and the crap you are on about but I can't help myself.

Mate you are on a HSV forum, you have quoted figures about a non HSV, most of us on the forum wouldn't buy the lesser Holdens and thats why we buy HSVs, I see you didn't tell us anything about your FPVs ect thats because you have nothing to say, The HSVs shit all over them in everyway,always have always will, thats why ford can't sell any, there shit, the poor ford workers loosing there jobs because NO ONE WANTS A SHITBOX FORD, they are worth nothing when you go to sell it. They need to give away more that just fuel to get them to sell.

I think you better get back into bed with your MUM, and pull your head in, and go and post your crap else where.

Cheers

Mark

murph_fan51
10-19-2008, 03:52 PM
I must point out that the FG Falcon is 2 years newer than the VE Commodore. So of course Ford would up-spec it over the Holden. A few higher specs doesnt make it a better car. Also the Commodore is still outselling the Falcon.

93_eb_fairmont
10-19-2008, 04:04 PM
I must point out that the FG Falcon is 2 years newer than the VE Commodore. So of course Ford would up-spec it over the Holden. A few higher specs doesnt make it a better car. Also the Commodore is still outselling the Falcon.

Thank you for the intelligent reply,

You are correct that the FG is newer, however, did that stop the Holden fans comparing the VE to the dated BA and BF? I think not...

The commodore is outselling the falcon, though this is only because of fords poor marketing ability.

go hrt
10-19-2008, 04:37 PM
Thank you for the intelligent reply,

You are correct that the FG is newer, however, did that stop the Holden fans comparing the VE to the dated BA and BF? I think not...

The commodore is outselling the falcon, though this is only because of fords poor marketing ability.

Thats a lame excuse. I only bought one cause a needed a shitter.

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-19-2008, 06:29 PM
Do you mind if I call you Hogan? That stands for Holden Bogan. I would call you pimply knocked up teenager loser, but dont like to make things too personal when on the internet.

Im not asking you to admit that the falcon is a better car, in fact, I'm sure the VE is better in some ways too, however, side curtain airbags as standard is about all I can think of, oh, wait, that was all.

So, "Rick Kelly is awesome!!!", please read through this post a few times just to make sure that you understand what I have said, and if you want proof, I will happily post the links. However, I am curios, just how did you think that a VE was better than an FG? I am genuinely interested. Oh, and guess what, Rick Kelly is a scrawny little runt, but hey, I guess you 2 have something in common.

Lowndes is arrogant you say, well, I guess when you win Bathurst 3 times in a row and you/your team is at the top of the ladder in points, it's ok to be arrogant. Not that he is, I just cant be bothered arguing with such a stupid person over such a stupid thing.


lol, hogan eyy? a bogan is someone who has a poor education, cheap clothing and uncultured upbringing and i do not have a poor education, i go to the most expensive school in SA, i dont wear cheap clothing like you do, and i have a cultured background. So that actually makes me not a bogan. Also, i am actually one of the least pimply people i know, i am not knocked up, and i am far from being a loser like yourself.

i am glad your not asking me to admit that the falcon is better because i am not going to admit something that is just simply not true.

Oh, and guess what, Rick Kelly is NOT a scrawny little runt. Your just jealous because you have a teeny weeny little pin d**k. Actually, i don't think you could even call it a d**k.

Yes, Lowndes is arrogant i say, well actually everyone says. Oh, and guess who lost the championship to Rick in '06...lowndes did.

So you can consider yourself bitch slapped.

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-19-2008, 08:09 PM
I've argued with you many times before, and every time you respond to me, I am surprised at your level of stupidity and how immature you are.

I seem to recall 2006 as the year that Prick Kelly gave his little love tap, effectively raising him to the top of the board. Don't deny it, he cheated, we all know it, even he does.

You were a bit vague in the "im a rich upper class woman" bit there so I'm trying to figure out exactly your situation. You didn't mention that your parents pay for any of that stuff, so I assume you no longer live with them or are telling lies to make yourself look better. You also didn't mention a glamorous job, so I assume you don't have one. You didn't mention a man so again I assume you don't have one. So, where is your cash coming from? WAIT - I've got it. It comes from ME!!! I pay tax (money for the government, you wouldn't understand, you don't work), which effectively goes back to you, as a centrelink doll bludger.

So please fill me in on just where all this money is coming from for your high cost schooling (obviously its not working, you're still stupid), and brand name (DADA, Eminem I presume?) clothes. If by chance you DO still live with your parents and they're picking up the tab for your lazy ass, what business do you have talking with grown ups who have to pay their own way. Which brings me to my next point; Are you even old enough to drive yet? Do you own a car? Or are you a desperate for attention know it all teenager with no job, no money, no car and NO F*CKIN IDEA? Yeah, I think I've got it down pat now.

Ive totally had it with you. You have no idea what you're talking about. Why dont you go and play in the sandpit and let the grownups talk? Your mummy will be over to change your diaper in a minute.

Surprised with my stupidity and immaturity? your the one who came on a HSV forum to talk about f**ds because you "forgot" your login, i'm sure you cant get any stupider than that.

yes, in '06 Rick Kelly did give his little love tap, raising him to the top of the board. And i'm not denying it, but he did not cheat. He was the most consistent all year, and the stewards deemed it ok, so you shouldn't be complaining.

Also, i never mentioned i am a "rich upper class woman".
Yes, i didn't mention that my parents pay for any of that stuff. But they do and i am very grateful for that. And yes i do live with my parents, i'm sure you did when you were 15, you probably still do. And no, i didn't mention i had a glamorous job, no 15 year old does. And no i didn't mention a man, but i do have a guy in my life that i am very close to and we have a thing for each other (and he's on this forum;)). Also i am not a "centrelink doll bludger".

you asked me to fill you in on where this money is coming from. Yes, my parents pay for the cost of my schooling. And i never said i wear brand name clothing, but i most definitely do not wear DADA. And no, i am not old enough to drive yet, and i do not own a car. I am also NOT a "desperate for attention know it all teenager".

You've totally had it with me??? Ive totally had it with you. Your the one who has no idea what you're talking about. So don't come on a here and treat me like a little baby. Obviously your'e the immature one, starting fights with people you don't even know. Easy to sound big when your'e hiding behind a keyboard eyy?

I think its about time the moderators ban this tool from this site. He's only on here to start trouble. Oh...and because he "forgot" his login on the f**d forum.

VK BROCK SS
10-19-2008, 08:33 PM
Again, can you somehow provide proof of HSV being the superior product? Apart from the fact that the "big aussie v8" comes in a box from the US, how is it superior? You do know what ford is pulling from the turbo 6's dont you? Also, the FPV V8 has more power yet again.

I see some of you pointing out the poor sales figures. Well, last I checked, the ENTIRE General Motors brand has been in serious trouble, and I recall reading recently that GM actaully tried to BUY Ford. Of course GM were told to piss off.

Oh, and by the way "Mark", Ford aren't the only one cutting jobs mate, Holden is just better at covering it up. Once again, I have to correct idiots who have no idea and just post meaningless blabber.

Maybe if someone with more than 3 brain cells replied with something more than the usual "oh holdens are better just cos they are" remarks, I might see the error in my ways and convert myself to the less powerful, less economical, more unreliable, uglier, more expensive and less equipped vehicle manufacturer. I highley doubt it though.

I drive on the streets all the time mate, and all I see is Holdens and HSVs the proof is in the sales, you said you have looked at them so you should know that HSV sell the shit out Fords and all the other crap they make. And I agree with you about the ford turbo 6 its a very good car and they always have been(XR6), but I didn't see them racing around Bathurst, why?? because they would last the distance. Uglier the VE or any other Holden/HSV you have to be kidding, Ford produce the Ugliest cars on earth and everyone know it, and your pulling your self if you think its not the case. Well more expensive HSV should be, because they are the better product, there is a saying, you may have heard about it down there "you get what you pay for" You pay for peanuts you get peanuts.

I never said that I was a smart man or what ever you are on about but I'm a very successful man, I don't know why you are on here for, it sounds to me that your are the one with nothing to do but hang shit on people.

Face the facts ****head that HSVs and Holden for that matter are better than fords, you can go and quote all the shit about figures ect but mate at the end of the day, have a good look around and all you see are Holdens and HSVs and why because they are just better, you can try and come on here and ster up trouble but mate we are the one taking the piss out of you because you own a ford and not only that an over priced 93 eb fairmont, whats it worth mate $20, or maybe now with the price of metal these days $100.mmmm good buy there mate a good investment..lol
And by the sound of it you couldn't afford to buy a HSV.

Cheers

Mark

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-19-2008, 09:15 PM
I drive on the streets all the time mate, and all I see is Holdens and HSVs the proof is in the sales, you said you have looked at them so you should know that HSV sell the shit out Fords and all the other crap they make.

I agree. Here are some stats: http://www.caradvice.com.au/3458/hsv-vs-fpv-crunching-numbers/

VK BROCK SS
10-20-2008, 12:04 AM
I know its last years sales figures, but it tells a good story nun the less.

So if Fords are so good why they can't sell any..??

Because who wants to buy a car that is worth nothing after you drive it off the show room floor.

I thank god that you do drive a ford because as the saying goes it keeps the ****heads out of driving Holdens.

Cheers

Mark

go hrt
10-20-2008, 12:53 AM
I know its last years sales figures, but it tells a good story nun the less.

So if Fords are so good why they can't sell any..??

Because who wants to buy a car that is worth nothing after you drive it off the show room floor.

I thank god that you do drive a ford because as the saying goes it keeps the ****heads out of driving Holdens.

Cheers

Mark

I'm a part time ****head when I drive my shitter

go hrt
10-20-2008, 12:57 AM
Heard you the first time, but you're still a tool.

How many guys and girls here vote for 93_eb_fairmont being the tool of the month?

VK BROCK SS
10-20-2008, 08:23 AM
Tool of the month, more like the tool of the year, 1 vote for me.

Cheers

Mark

HSV271
10-20-2008, 11:59 AM
93_eb_fairmont...
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Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-20-2008, 04:47 PM
How many guys and girls here vote for 93_eb_fairmont being the tool of the month?

He gets my vote!

93_eb_fairmont...tool of the year. sounds good to me.

lowgto
10-20-2008, 07:03 PM
My fellow forum members, you really are giving this pretender too much credit.
Simply just ignore (it) and (it) will go away as you are responding and reacting as (it) wants you to do.
(It) isn't worth the effort.

VK BROCK SS
10-20-2008, 08:29 PM
My fellow forum members, you really are giving this pretender too much credit.
Simply just ignore (it) and (it) will go away as you are responding and reacting as (it) wants you to do.
(It) isn't worth the effort.

Yes I know, your right Brad..

Cheers

Mark

Young Cub
10-21-2008, 11:53 AM
Sorry guys, just had to have my turn of burning this bastard...all my friends (including lowgto and hsv271) here have had their fun and I haven't had a chance at all...but here's my input just for the sake of it...

And no i didn't mention a man, but i do have a guy in my life that i am very close to and we have a thing for each other (and he's on this forum;)).


Yep, and you better watch out, cause if you start anything with one of us or anybody else on this forum, you're gonna have to watch your back 24/7 coz something is gonna happen and it won't be nice...not sure what your perspective is on the HSV tribe (us), but we stick close together and back each other up through the good and bad times no matter what...dunno what the grass is like on the other side and I'm not really interested either coz it don't look so green...

I think its about time the moderators ban this tool from this site. He's only on here to start trouble. Oh...and because he "forgot" his login on the f**d forum.

what a shame mate, look who is gonna be locked out tonight and ain't gonna be let in...
Be banished and be gone for good.

Word of warning...
Start something again and we're all on to you and there's no crying for mercy...

Okay, I'm done...
CASE CLOSED.

Rick Kelly is awesome!!!
10-21-2008, 01:30 PM
My fellow forum members, you really are giving this pretender too much credit.
Simply just ignore (it) and (it) will go away as you are responding and reacting as (it) wants you to do.
(It) isn't worth the effort.

tru tru.
I guess we shouldnt argue with it, it'll only drag us down to its level and beat us with experience ;)

murph_fan51
10-21-2008, 06:27 PM
Topic now locked. Some of the replies are pathetic, and other guys are simply adding fuel to the fire!!

Besides you are all now off topic, but, feel free to start another Bathurst topic if need be.