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wkgrange50
27-04-2012, 03:12 PM
So the factory setup in the grange just doesn't quite cut it so i decided it's time to start planning a new system. I've been to a few shops and asked around, but everyone just seems to want to sell me whatever they've got in store. I don't really know anything about car audio, and all that jazz. So i was hoping you guys might be able to give a little advice.

So far the general consensus seems to be. front speakers with tweeters, rear speakers without tweeters, and a 12inch sub in the back and an amp.

Seems like i can get everything a lot cheaper online, then get someone to install it. anyone have anyone they'd recommend in perth?

This is what i've got so far.

Front speakers: Morel Tempo 6
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17160_Morel-Tempo-6.html

Rear speakers: Morel Tempo 6C
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17164_Morel-Tempo-6C.html

Subwoofer: Morel Ultimo SC 124
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_45426_Morel-Ultimo-SC-124.html

Head unit: Pioneer AVIC-Z130BT
www.sonicelectronix.com/item_32824_Pioneer-AVIC-Z130BT.html

I just don't really know how to find an amp, well, match an amp to it. Anyone got one they'd recommend that would work with this? Or any changes to this, things that would work better? etc?

Thanks!

Stewiecasserole
27-04-2012, 06:01 PM
Same car....nearly......same audio.....nearly. AWESOME!!!!!
I've got the Tempo 6" components in the front doors, Tempo 6x9 splits in the parcel shelf and a Primo 12" in the boot. You are gunna LOVE your set up. I'm undecided about the rear doors but they will be some kick ass 6" subs 180RMS - 1000peak).
Your head unit.....NFI.....I kept the stock one.
Amp......you will not go past a Polk PAD5000.5 and you can get it from Sonic too. Ask Zman....he did the install and he could not believe the Morels....especially the subby.....and yours will KILL mine!!!!!! :(:(:( :lol::lol::lol:
He has done his research too as he want to do both his car and he can't find a better amp than the Polk (performance/power/bang for buck).

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_39895_Polk-Audio-PA-D5000.5-PAD5000.5.html

...and will be getting another Primo 12" for the boot 'coz the other one is lonely. Will be driving the 12" subs with a Polk PAD1000.1 mono block (1,200W) and the rear door subs off the soon to be vacant sub output on the 5 channel Polk.
All this will be tuned with a Bit One digital sound processor.......and I can get these for around $700 here in Oz....best online is around $900.

http://www.audison.eu/index.php?page=product&id=49

zclubby
27-04-2012, 10:12 PM
Too right stewie. That amp has balls. The sub channel (output) is 1 ohm stable which provides plenty of options. Gotta get me one....... Or two!!!

Stewiecasserole
27-04-2012, 10:33 PM
His ride is gunna pop the widows out Zman. I can't wait to hear it. Especially if he gets 2 Ultimos. HINT HINT!!!!!!! :lol::lol:

wkgrange50
28-04-2012, 07:28 PM
Should i get the 6x9's and put them in the parcel shelf instead of the 6" in the doors? do you think it'd sound better? Ahaha, i wish i could afford two of those subs. It'll be a few weeks/months before i'll even be able to afford this. Just planing at the moment.

So that amp would definitely handle the front speakers and one sub?

how's it all work with the head unit you've got? i've got an older grange, no screen on the head unit which is a little annoying. have to plug the ipod into the dvd in the rear. which isn't so bad i guess. controlling the music from the ipod is a lot easier/safer than a screen anyway.

does it all run alright through the stock head unit? would it be capable of running the rear door speakers/ parcel tray if i went with 6x9's?

haha, sorry for all the questions just never really had anything to do with car audio before. Wish i could hear your setup stewie, sounds really good.

Stewiecasserole
28-04-2012, 09:00 PM
Dude....the PAD5000.5 amp runs my Tempo components in the front, 6x9s in the parcel shelf and the 12" Primo.
The rear doors are run off the OEM amp. WHat I intend, and I think you should too, is to dedicate the 12" Primo(of which I will have 2) to a mono block. Because the PAD5000.5 is a 5 channel (4 for speakers and one for subs) I can use the sub channel to run killa subs in the rear doors.
You could still run the sub off the PAD5000.5 plus the fronts plus the 6x9s in the parcel shelf and some 6" drivers in the rear doors (piggy back these off your 6x9s which is what I was going to do). It will provide enough power to rattle your windows and for the price you will pay (especially online) you wont be able to compare the quality or loudness bang for buck......with the amp or the Morels.
The head unit is a hassle as it doesn't have RCA jacks. This is resolved by using a line level converter which allows you to plug wires in and get RCA out. This is tuneable too so you can tune out any annoying alternator noise and set the levels for the channels. You would need a 4 channel one of these.........http://www.ryda.com.au/Aerpro-AP3044-4-Channel-Hi-Lo-Audio-Converter-p/ap3044.htm

Now you can hack into the back of the head unit to instal this (pain in the ass) or be clever line Zman. What he did was figure our which wires (front doors, tweeters and parcel shelf) were the ones hitting the amp in the boot from the head unit. He simply removed them from the OEM amp in the input (from the head unit) side and wired them into the line level converter. So the head unit was sending the signal to towards the OEM amp but now the signal was being redirected through the LLC....which is the plugged into the new Polk amp. Wires in.....RCA out. Easy peasy.
Now the head unit produces a signal at whatever power/intensity and sends it to the Polk amp using the original wires meaning you do not have to run a sh!t load of wires from the head unit to the boot to connect your new amp. So it doesn't really matter about your head unit, as long as it sends a signal to the amp the amp will boost it accordingly. You could send a signal directly from a weak ass ipod and get the same results.
The Polk amp will handle everything you want to stick in.

You gotta know this though.......if you decide to install the LLC off the OEM amp (saving a massive amount of rewiring and mucking about) you must know that you CAN NOT simply take the speaker wires from the output side of the OEM amp and plug them into the LLC. If you think that this will increase your overall sound output you are dead wrong. All you willl do is bloew up your new amp. Why? 'Coz the signal on the output side is amplified (say to 120W) and now you try to input that into the new amp and tell it to boost it another 500W.....no fvcking way.

Pm me where you are too.

http://www.cyberselect.co.uk/photos/Russound_ADP1_wiring.gif

http://www.350z-tech.com/forums/attachments/audio-electronics/26028d1100571070-bose-line-level-converters-audio_install10loc.jpg


Bet your head hurts now huh. :lol::lol:

wkgrange50
28-04-2012, 09:33 PM
So basically, get the speakers i was going to get, plus 6x9s. run the fronts and the 6x9's off the polk amp, and run the rear 6"s off the 6x9s? and i'd be better off just getting another head unit? probably just a bit cheaper. use the saved money on the headunit for the 6x9's.

also, one ultimo, or two primo's? maybe one ultimo now, and another later if i need it. could always just run the extra wire now or something.

haha, i don't think i'd even attempt to do this my own. i'd end up wrecking panels, and doing something wrong. i was quoted around 600 for headunit, four speakers, sub and amp, does that sound about right?

zclubby
28-04-2012, 10:24 PM
You're onto it. The Polk amp has so many options. As Stewie said it has 4 speaker channels and one sub channel.

The speaker channels are 2 ohm stable which means you can run 2 speakers off each channel which =8 speakers (provided they are 4ohm speakers which most are) this also forces the amp to produce more power.

With the sub channel, it is 1ohm stable, this means you can run 4 x 4ohm subs off this channel or 2 x 2ohm or 2 x dual voice coil 4ohm subs. This increases the output on this channel from 200watts RMS to 500watts RMS. Admittedly you are splitting this between potentially 4 subs but it would be nuts.

wkgrange50
28-04-2012, 11:24 PM
Does anyone know if the stock speakers are 6" or 6-1/2"

I think i measured the one in the rear door and it was 16cm.

So i've got

Morel Tempo 6, and tempo 6c (tweeters in front, no tweeters in back)
Morel Tempo 69c (6x9 for parcel tray)
Morel Ultimo 124 12inch sub
Polk amp
Pioneer AVH-P8400BH

just under 3000 with shipping.

i imagine i'd probably be looking at 4-5 if i were to buy it here.

should i get any wiring stuff? other things to make installation here a little cheaper? will i need a wiring adapter thing for the steering wheel controls?

zclubby
28-04-2012, 11:40 PM
Firstly, the speakers are 6.5". What's the pioneer thing? If it is a head unit, you will need a steering wheel interface. If you are keeping the stock unit the you won't.

Pros and cons with changing the unit. Sound quality won't change if you use the line converter as Stewie explained. Ends up being a stock look vs features decision.

wkgrange50
29-04-2012, 12:03 AM
With the head unit, i'm not too sure. I'll have to compare prices, i think i'd rather have a new head unit. will the 6inch speakers fit? as morel don't seem to have 6.5"

zclubby
29-04-2012, 12:10 AM
If they don't fit, you can make em fit. Easy to get a smaller speaker in the factory hole that the other way round. So it was a head unit then?

wkgrange50
29-04-2012, 12:17 AM
Yeah, i think i'd rather get a head unit. be nicer in the long run. easier with the ipod and that. This is all a fair way away anyway, just figure if i'm going to spend this sort of money on an audio system, may as well spend a bit of time planning and making sure it's going to sound good, and work together, last a long time etc.

Stewiecasserole
29-04-2012, 05:46 PM
My tempos are 6" so don't sweat it. Zman didn't even realize and they slotted straight in.....more or less. :lol:
The hassle is when you want to get a 6.5 in a 6" hole. Major head fvck.
I'm gunna get a quote on your list below, shipped to your door and PM it to you. No skin of my nose but don't forget if you buy online you will more likely than not void your warranty. Companies will check distribution data on the item and know it was meant for an overseas country.........just their way of saying screw you we don't have to pay. Make sure you read the fine print.

And on the side....Zman.....does this mean we can run my fronts and 6x9s off the same channel and get 'em sounding louder?

zclubby
29-04-2012, 08:49 PM
Um...no. By memory at 4ohm your amp on the speaker channels is 70w x 4. At 2 ohm (which is when you wire 2 x 4ohm speakers off each one) you get 100w x 4, but this is then split into 2 speakers which means you get 50w into each one. But of corse you end up with more speakers at that power.

Wiring your fronts with your (rear) 6x9s is ok but you will loose the ability to fade from front to rear on the unit

zclubby
29-04-2012, 08:53 PM
It's the sub channel that I like
I sub = 200w
2 subs = 400w split in two of corse but that means you could have 2 of what you have without loss of power into each one
4 subs = 500w split into 4

All the above is based on single voice coil 4ohm subs

Stewiecasserole
29-04-2012, 08:59 PM
You the man Zman. Thanks for that. DO the maths for the mono block dude.....how many subs do I need? :lol::lol::lol:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_39886_Polk-Audio-PA-D1000.1-PAD1000.1.html

The stats for the Primo are here.....
http://www.morelhifi.com/products/mob_subwoofers_primo.html

wkgrange50
29-04-2012, 09:07 PM
I sent sonic an email and this was the best price they could do for me

Pioneer 8400bh: 599.99

Polk audio: 399.95

Morel Tempo 6c: 199.99

Morel Tempo 6: 299.99

Morel Tempo 69c: 200

Morel Ultimo SC 124: 459.99

Final price: 2159.91 + Shipping (which would be about $320)

seems pretty good, no way i'd get all that here for just under 2500.

zclubby
30-04-2012, 07:51 PM
You the man Zman. Thanks for that. DO the maths for the mono block dude.....how many subs do I need? :lol::lol::lol:

You can have 4 of those ones that you have. All running at 300watts each. That's insane given the one that you have is running on 200watts

Stewiecasserole
30-04-2012, 08:14 PM
Sh!t....gunna need a bigger boot.

07GTS
30-04-2012, 08:47 PM
anyone here hurd of or used Boston acoustics car speakers..? top of the range subs and main speakers at a good price, only thing is they are hard to find an outlet in aus...
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/%2FMobile-Audio-C236.aspx

Stewiecasserole
30-04-2012, 09:39 PM
GOOGLE.....
http://www.soundmaster.com.au/Car-Audio/Boston/Subwoofers/

http://www.phattaudio.com.au/products.html

http://www.ambertech.com.au/

07GTS
30-04-2012, 10:07 PM
kool thanks stewie, i only found the ambertech before and they mainly have the home gear, soundmaster looks good tho :D

Stewiecasserole
01-05-2012, 08:25 AM
Welcome. If you give the higher end installers a ring they usually can get their hands on anything......for a price.
Have you looked at the the Arc Audio range? They do some very good high end speakers.
What is it you are looking for by the way?

If you want to just go totally fvcking stupid, try these. 15,000W (yep....that 15 THOUSAND Watts) for a 3 second burst. Insane.
http://www.atomicspeakers.com/?pg=series_apx_10