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AzuR
13-04-2010, 09:04 AM
Hey guys

finally getting round to making the jump into a hsv e series 2 gts, currently shopping around in perth to find a good deal, im after one in either white or red, with 6 pistons sv enhanced package, also trying to get manual over the auto. Im trading in my FG Xr8 ute, ive been dealing with shacks hsv in freo so far :)

Just after any suggestions or tips from you guys, also for people out there who have bought one recently what sort of price did you end up paying?

Thanks in advance

Scotty

ByfordBlade
20-04-2010, 09:49 AM
Scott - it's worth getting in touch with Mike Kennedy at City HSV (9422 7777 mkennedy@citymotors.com.au). I've ordered a black, manual GTS and he was a lot cheaper than Shacks and Brian Gardner ($83,800 drive away) plus gave an excellent trade-in on my SS. From memory the 6 piston was around $3k extra.

As City are part of AHG they have access to a lot of HSV's across the country so most colours and options can be delivered within a couple of weeks from order.

Pickles
20-04-2010, 10:01 AM
No doubt there are some good deals about....some good "driveaway" prices.....but that all changes when you have a trade in.....because then you're not comparing "apples with apples". So it's very difficult to compare "what prices are around" when you've got a trade in.....because in that case, it's the net changeover figure which is important.....and that figure can only be ascertained by you, by taking your car to the dealer, to ascertain that price. I've seen dealers advertising low "driveaway" prices, getting blown out of the water when trade ins are involved. Still, I'm sure members would be interested in the different "changeover" figure that you come up with & how your Ute was valued.
Good luck.
Cheers, Pickles.

ByfordBlade
20-04-2010, 12:01 PM
Just to clarify, the trade-in came up a week after I'd done the deal on the new car. I figured the missus would want the SS but she suprised me and told me to sell it. As City gave me roughly the same I was expecting through selling it privately, but without the hassle of waiting by the phone all weekend, deal was done and dusted.

If your trade is in good condition and will likely not stay in their yard for long then you can walk away very happy.

Pickles
20-04-2010, 12:40 PM
Just to clarify, the trade-in came up a week after I'd done the deal on the new car. I figured the missus would want the SS but she suprised me and told me to sell it. As City gave me roughly the same I was expecting through selling it privately, but without the hassle of waiting by the phone all weekend, deal was done and dusted.

If your trade is in good condition and will likely not stay in their yard for long then you can walk away very happy.
No worries, I'm glad things worked out for you, & that you are happy...certainly, I agree with you that trading in takes the "hassle" out of private selling your "trade in".
So, as this thread was wanting info about what sort of deals are available....what was the year/model of your trade in, & what was your "driveaway" change over figure?
If you don't feel like answering, fair enough, but's that's really what the question was..ie, what sorts of deals are available.
Cheers, Pickles.

REDHOTLS3
20-04-2010, 02:11 PM
Yes I agree trade ins get less but I,m not stuffing around to get another couple of grand , it,s just not worth it.My vz sv8 black man. 45k,s and vz lumina 58k,s traded on silver auto gxp [ I pick up tomrrow] was $32 k change over,so I was happy with that. Cars are dropping value every month now as trades, lucky I locked mine in 7 weeks ago.It can be a big shock when u trade. Hope it goes well for you.

ByfordBlade
20-04-2010, 03:00 PM
It's not really comparing apples with apples as I technically didn't trade the SS in on the GTS so didn't get full haggling opportunity :)

New: 10 GTS E2 - $83,800
Trade: 07 VE SS, Auto, 80,000km - $26,500

Changeover: $57,300

Pickles
20-04-2010, 05:34 PM
It's not really comparing apples with apples as I technically didn't trade the SS in on the GTS so didn't get full haggling opportunity :)

New: 10 GTS E2 - $83,800
Trade: 07 VE SS, Auto, 80,000km - $26,500

Changeover: $57,300
Fair enough....and thanks for disclosing your info....you've probably seen it yourself, people saying "I got this & I got that".....but they never disclose the facts.Your factual info will at least give the member something to go on.
And, as I read your post, you did get the big brakes...a MUST,...IMHO.
The GTS is an awesome beast, so I hope you enjoy your new toy.....some pics!!!?.
Cheers, Pickles.

Deco28
20-04-2010, 09:01 PM
It's not really comparing apples with apples as I technically didn't trade the SS in on the GTS so didn't get full haggling opportunity :)

New: 10 GTS E2 - $83,800
Trade: 07 VE SS, Auto, 80,000km - $26,500

Changeover: $57,300

Are you serious? I can barely find an 07 SV6 for 27k =[.

ByfordBlade
20-04-2010, 10:54 PM
Deco - yards have a thing called markup they need to cover, plus Perth has "hail sales" everywhere and while the boom is apparently coming people are still holding on to their money. I think it's a reasonable price for selling to a yard at the moment. Maybe a couple of extra grand would have been possible in January but it's a fair price now. At the end of the day it's my money so if you're looking for an SV6 for $27k then you will get a bargain in an SS at $30k as from Thursday. Flick me your details and I'll let City Holden know to expect your call.

ByfordBlade
20-04-2010, 10:56 PM
The GTS is an awesome beast, so I hope you enjoy your new toy.....some pics!!!?.
Cheers, Pickles.

Anyone near Melbourne with a camera as it literally leaves the factory tomorrow morning for the lonely crawl across the Nullabour :D

Pickles
21-04-2010, 09:22 AM
Anyone near Melbourne with a camera as it literally leaves the factory tomorrow morning for the lonely crawl across the Nullabour :D
I'm not too flash with a digital camera!!...but the most important aspect of your comment is that your car is coming to you, as soon as it has been built......so it's not sitting in the weather in some dealer's yard for months & months. It will really be "New".
I have a suggestion for you. When we ordered our GTO four years ago, it was the same situation...the car came straight from HSV to the dealer, then to me, in a matter of days. My dealer rang me & asked me if I had any pre-delivery instructions. My only instruction was "do not buff the car, please just give it a light hand polish" (nothing severe, basically a waxing)....which is what they did.....and the paint was lovely. Your dealer may already be awake up to this, but a quick call, just asking for a light hand polish,(no buff) wouldn't do any harm. I mean I know they're going to have to wash it first to get rid of transport grime etc, but after that, I'd reckon your paint will be absolutely 100% after a light hand polish.
For a car that's sat out in the weather for months, maybe something more MAY be required, but in your case it isn't.
Cheers, Pickles.

ByfordBlade
21-04-2010, 02:09 PM
Cheers for the advice Pickles - phonecall made :)

Pickles
21-04-2010, 02:50 PM
Cheers for the advice Pickles - phonecall made :)
No worries.
Post up your impressions (if you can control yourself!!) when you get the car....we'll all be interested.
You'll probably have difficulty in sleeping, until delivery!
Cheers, Pickles.

HSVnut
21-04-2010, 06:14 PM
yeah i work at a new car dealer and i always recommend telling them not to buff the car, polish only i've seen to much in my years at car dealerships.

AzuR
22-04-2010, 12:22 AM
thanks for the info uys, following up some more leads eg, city holden and will let you know my final package n price :)

ByfordBlade
27-04-2010, 10:06 PM
Picked mine up this morning and all I can say is wow, this thing pulls harder than a 15 year old watching porn. Jumping from the VE SS into it made the transition pretty easy but the acceleration made the SS feel like a Ford Laser.

Build quality internally appears much better and finally the indicator clicking on a Holden doesn't drown out the radio. Overall a very impressive vehicle and the bimodal exhaust is not something to have if you're wearing tight pants.

My only complaint is the manual transmission, only because I've driven autos for the last 7 years so having a bit of fun adjusting. In fairness it could sit in 4th even at highway speeds and that torque has saved me the embarrassment of stalling it at the lights.

Beautiful vehicle and my only regret is I should have bought one a long time ago.

Stewiecasserole
27-04-2010, 11:13 PM
Pulls harder than a 15 year old watching porn....LMFAO.
Get some pics up and congrats. Hope you keep that licence in tact for a while :lol:

Pickles
28-04-2010, 09:32 AM
Picked mine up this morning and all I can say is wow, this thing pulls harder than a 15 year old watching porn. Jumping from the VE SS into it made the transition pretty easy but the acceleration made the SS feel like a Ford Laser.

Build quality internally appears much better and finally the indicator clicking on a Holden doesn't drown out the radio. Overall a very impressive vehicle and the bimodal exhaust is not something to have if you're wearing tight pants.

My only complaint is the manual transmission, only because I've driven autos for the last 7 years so having a bit of fun adjusting. In fairness it could sit in 4th even at highway speeds and that torque has saved me the embarrassment of stalling it at the lights.

Beautiful vehicle and my only regret is I should have bought one a long time ago.

Well, it must have enjoyed its trip across the Nullabor then, with no worries. And Dealer delivery to you was quick too....I trust the paint was OK.
Congratulations upon the purchase of a great car...enjoy!
Cheers, Pickles.

go sick
29-04-2010, 10:14 AM
welcome to the HSV world dude and good luck with it mate

AzuR
30-04-2010, 07:55 PM
Hey Gents

A question i'd like to put out to everyone and one im asking myself as i get closer to securing a GTS, what are people thoughts on the 6 speed auto vs manaul, Ive taken the a manual 2008 GTS for a test drive so far and enjoyed it but did find it a bit "clunky", ive come from a zf 6 speed fg xr8, im just wondering on peoples thoughts

Scotty

ByfordBlade
03-05-2010, 09:26 AM
It depends on the type of driving you do - I spend a lot of time in traffic so a lot of gear changing is necessary and an auto would may have been a better choice, but now I'm used to the manual and gear changes are smooth it's not too bad.

I wasn't keen on the auto as it's the same transmission as I had in my SS but with different software. The SS had an annoying problem with a noticable lag when you floored it after slowing down. My business partner has an auto and says the lag is there but not as bad, but overall he likes it and it does have the "manual option" in sports mode when he wants to play.

Drive both, figure out what type of driving you'll be doing and what best suits you. Either way a great car and manual or auto, you won't be disappointed.

Pickles
03-05-2010, 05:28 PM
I think the general opinion is that the Holden A6 is not as good as the ZF item in a Ford.
I've not heard too many complaints about the ZF in the press, or by users. On the other hand, there have been a fair few people "not Happy" with Holden's A6....it has been said that these issues can be "fixed" by "re-programming" or tightening up the shifts etc.
I would say that if you can live with a manual, then that would be the way to go.....so that would be my first preference.....but that COULD be a pain, with a lot of city driving.
As has been quite sensibly said, it's your choice, & the only way for you to make that choice, is to drive them both.....HARD.
Having said all that, we've got the "old" A4 in our GTO, & FOR OUR USE, its fine.
Cheers, Pickles.

Krisiun
03-05-2010, 07:40 PM
I think the general opinion is that the Holden A6 is not as good as the ZF item in a Ford.
I've not heard too many complaints about the ZF in the press, or by users. On the other hand, there have been a fair few people "not Happy" with Holden's A6....it has been said that these issues can be "fixed" by "re-programming" or tightening up the shifts etc.
I would say that if you can live with a manual, then that would be the way to go.....so that would be my first preference.....but that COULD be a pain, with a lot of city driving.
As has been quite sensibly said, it's your choice, & the only way for you to make that choice, is to drive them both.....HARD.
Having said all that, we've got the "old" A4 in our GTO, & FOR OUR USE, its fine.
Cheers, Pickles.

Very nicely summed up Pickles!

Unfortunately the Holden A6 doesn't hold a candle in front of the world class ZF box - that box is in a different league of it's own - as used by Aston Martin, Maserati, BMW, Jaguar etc.

AzuR
03-05-2010, 07:45 PM
Hey guys

Took a e series 2 GTS for a test drive today in auto, it put to bed any confusion i had, i'm going with the manual, coming from a zf 6 speed auto, there is a big difference, although the manual may be trying in traffic, cant beat the freedom it gives you in other scenerios :)

Now just find the right manual GTS at the right price for me :)

Pickles
04-05-2010, 09:38 AM
Hey guys

Took a e series 2 GTS for a test drive today in auto, it put to bed any confusion i had, i'm going with the manual, coming from a zf 6 speed auto, there is a big difference, although the manual may be trying in traffic, cant beat the freedom it gives you in other scenerios :)

Now just find the right manual GTS at the right price for me :)
Interesting!!
Any chance of you giving us your impression of theA6?..
What did you not like about it...did it shift when you wanted it to, or when you didn't want it to etc, did you know what it was going to do, & did you drive it hard? Some autos can be quite ok for ordinary driving, but under acceleration, in & out of corners, etc, when the "pedal's to the metal", they can be "found out"!. I would put the A4 in our VZ GTO in that category, but for what we use the car for, the A4 is perfect.
So, what were your impressions?
Cheers, Pickles.

AzuR
04-05-2010, 10:20 PM
Interesting!!
Any chance of you giving us your impression of theA6?..
What did you not like about it...did it shift when you wanted it to, or when you didn't want it to etc, did you know what it was going to do, & did you drive it hard? Some autos can be quite ok for ordinary driving, but under acceleration, in & out of corners, etc, when the "pedal's to the metal", they can be "found out"!. I would put the A4 in our VZ GTO in that category, but for what we use the car for, the A4 is perfect.
So, what were your impressions?
Cheers, Pickles.

Hey mate

Well i drove it as hard as i could under circumstances, which was actually pretty hard as the sales rep promoted it, as they all have actually :P

For me, in pure auto mode it wasnt bad, although it wouldnt find what i'd call the right gear compared to my old ZF with a heavy foot, in saying that the power felt stronger than my 290 motor just not delivered as nicely, it was manual mode that got me, the zf feels so much better in manaul mode, even down to the shifter being nice n small n tight, compared to the sort of tacky looking long stick of the A6 in the gts, i think if i'd never had of driven a v8 coupled to a ZF i would be more than happy with the auto in the gts, but i dont want to feel like im going backwards in terms of the gearbox only, the power and feel is another thing altogether, not to mention the sound!

The last 2 v8's ive owned have been autos, one 4 speed and one ZF 6 speed, both of those cars have been daily drivers, where this new gts will be a weekend warrior, with the occasional weekly drive, so im kind of looking foward to having the manual. One thing thats got me with last two autos, is the sound difference, not in regards to overall sound but the way it's projected, you cant beat the feel or the sound of a throaty manual chirping through the gears, that is if you can put up with it in those peak hour traffic moments :)

In saying all that, in my research ive been doing it seems to me the late 09 series 1 and the series 2 gts's have a better box then the previous one's, maybe some pre 09 owners could correct me or shed some light on this?

ByfordBlade
04-05-2010, 11:10 PM
FFS AzuR, just order a GTS and get into the detail once you own it (at which point you won't give a rats arse about the details as you'll be having too much enjoyment from arguably the best performance vehicle on the road at the moment) :)

AzuR
04-05-2010, 11:16 PM
FFS AzuR, just order a GTS and get into the detail once you own it (at which point you won't give a rats arse about the details as you'll be having too much enjoyment from arguably the best performance vehicle on the road at the moment) :)

Hahaha, you have a point there! but hey, if theres one thing ive learnt spending big coin is do your research :) I'll get there, i'm having fun doing it and as you said once im in one im sure ill forget all the details :)

XR8TEDVY2
05-05-2010, 09:29 AM
Only pushbikes should have two pedals !!!! Go the manual ....:D

09gts125
07-10-2010, 10:29 PM
guys i'll tell you a little something, just got rid of my e2 gts, major paint issues, service from hsv and gm is a shock to your system when you spend that amount of money, and now it is for sale at the city motors perth wa yard (the white one 2009 build number 0125)not even a week later with no signs of any repair work. PLEASE dont attempt to purchase this vehicle it is a lemon.http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=9392180&__Qpb=true&Cr=11&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965530% 204294965529%20904&silo=1011&__No=0&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=34&__sid=129F57309994.
i got dragged around for four months with this car and all they did was clay bar it, the issue was NOT resolved, and is STILL not resolved. they will promise you the world as they did to me and you will be chasing your tail for months upon end getting you no where.

colt75
19-10-2010, 10:14 PM
what was the problem with the paint?

09gts125
22-10-2010, 07:25 PM
car was very badly covered all over with rust spots. ahg said talk to hsv, after 4 weeks hsv clay bared the car taking a layer of paint off in doing this. after asking panel shops around perth they said clay barring is ok but MUST spray a coat of clear back on (never happened). anyway 4 weeks later rust came back through, hsv say i have to sort it out with gm and ppg (paint specialst) in 5 weeks, i was given the wrong date so then they said i would have to wait 4 more weeks, i lost the plot told them to shove it and lost $23,000. ahg city motors bought the car again of me (gave me $63,000, i paid $85,400), saying thats all we can give you and put it straight on the lot knowing well the problem just changing the number plates. DOGS!!!!!!!

09gts125
22-10-2010, 07:27 PM
car was very badly covered all over with rust spots. ahg said talk to hsv, after 4 weeks hsv clay bared the car taking a layer of paint off in doing this. after asking panel shops around perth they said clay barring is ok but MUST spray a coat of clear back on (never happened). anyway 4 weeks later rust came back through, hsv say i have to sort it out with gm and ppg (paint specialst) in 5 weeks, i was given the wrong date so then they said i would have to wait 4 more weeks, i lost the plot told them to shove it and lost $23,000. ahg city motors bought the car again of me (gave me $63,000, i paid $85,400), saying thats all we can give you and put it straight on the lot knowing well the problem just changing the number plates. DOGS!!!!!! NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO SELL IT FOR OVER $70,000.

09gts125
22-10-2010, 07:30 PM
guys even the hsv state managers white r8 has the same problem. he had it fixed up (so he says) one week before mine.

bigdaddy
25-10-2010, 05:03 PM
I think you will find is that what you have is fallout from works going on in the general area of your home. There used to be an issue years ago with rail dust getting onto the cars, but now the cars are being transported in containers, this what a mate at Toll told me.

Regarding the yard "asking" $70,000 for the car, what is wrong with that. What they ask for and what they get are 2 different things. They also have to cover the car with warranty, advertise it, pay rates, pay salesmen, electricity, the list goes on.

You say you paid $83,500 for the car, how much of that was government charges, $10,000 plus I bet.

I hope you enjoy your new car, what ever it is.

09gts125
25-10-2010, 09:10 PM
bigdaddy is clever, he must be a car salesman maybe even from city motors with a comment like that. 3 weeks after your car is clay barred should the rust come back bigdaddy?

bigdaddy
26-10-2010, 01:12 PM
I used to work in a Holden yard in country WA, but not anymore, been driving trucks for the last 3 months, less stress.... lol

There is no real cause for rail dust anymore, honestly, it does not happen.

You will have your opinion and you are welcome to it, but just remember that any dealer is just an agent for the manufacturer and utlimately the buck stops with them, not the dealer.

It sounds to me like you are bagging the dealer and all they did was try and help.

09gts125
26-10-2010, 07:54 PM
i have not mentioned rail dust anywhere, only the people i have dealt with (hsv, gm) have? the rust is coming up from under the paint work. and as a previous dealer would you call someone up as the used car manager from city motors did me yesterday and tell them they are a pathetic excuse for a human? GREAT SERVICE HUH! i know the dealer only sells the car, but they should stand by the customer as to what they have sold them!

09gts125
26-10-2010, 07:57 PM
im happy they took the car off me, i simply dont want some poor sod to go through the same crap i went through with this particular vehicle, thats why i sold it back to the car yard and not privately to some poor sod.

bigdaddy
26-10-2010, 07:59 PM
Sorry mate.... rail dust used to be the thing that causes the problem you are taking about.

bigdaddy
26-10-2010, 08:02 PM
My friend went and had a look at the car yesterday, as he is thinking of buying it, and he is a panel beater, he though the car looked okay.

Can you let me know where the rust is so we can have a closer look when I am back in Perth on Wednesday?

Thanks Mate....

09gts125
27-10-2010, 06:41 PM
you obviously work there and want me to tell you so you can clean those areas up, if your friend really wants that car good luck, don't say he was not warned! anyway i've said what i have to say about this vehicle and my treatment from the dealer to the manufacturer, they all need to have a think about how they treat customers in the future. one person may not make a big difference, but even a little one sometimes counts.

bigdaddy
27-10-2010, 07:13 PM
Can you tell me where the "rust" is so we can look for it?

I was meant to be home today, looks like being tomorrow afternoon and then we are heading straight there.

If the car is a dud, then we will walk away, no problems doing that at all.

Thanks for your help.

09gts125
27-10-2010, 09:50 PM
you cant miss it, if you do buy it feel free to contact me again, i can guide you through who you will see next. go to shacks mate, the people and service are at least better there!

bigdaddy
27-10-2010, 09:53 PM
you cant miss it, if you do sorry!

You said in a previous post "I don't want some poor sod to buy it" and now you won't help us, that's not very friendly.

09gts125
27-10-2010, 09:58 PM
i've given you the best advise on that particular vehicle, "don't buy it", you will regret it. good luck!

bigdaddy
27-10-2010, 10:02 PM
i've given you the best advise on that particular vehicle, "don't buy it", you will regret it. cheers.

I am not buying the car, my mate is and he is just waiting for me to get back to help him with the negotiations. He wants the car now and is keen to go.

Thanks for your help but it would still be nice to know where the "rust" spots are, are they easily visible?

09gts125
27-10-2010, 10:11 PM
tell him to offer them $63k, cause you'll need $10k for a re-spray! hope your friend has alot of patience.

Pickles
28-10-2010, 12:24 PM
09....Yours is not a good story.
I can understand you'd be pis.....d off.
With that sort of money involved, perhaps you could've enlisted the help of an independant expert to assist you.
So, for anyone looking at this car, they should do the same.....and let us know their findings.
I'm sure any of us would be devastated to have the same problem with our own vehicle. I do know of one person who was not happy with his paint on his black Maloo....I don't know the details, but I do know that HSV ended up respraying it....and it was a TOP job.
Cheers, Pickles.

09gts125
28-10-2010, 09:13 PM
pickles thanks mate for the understanding, all i wanted was the problem fixed so we could all get on with life. unfortunately it didn't and still hasn't and it is a real shame for all parties because they are an awesome car look wise and drive wise. im a ford man, but my wife wanted the gts for her birthday. a real shame for all.

gdzook
31-10-2010, 07:01 PM
I had a customer come in today that just purchased an 2010 maloo with lots of extras that cost 70k, he purchased it new from a dealer in south west sydney and pickled it up in the afternoon. He got it home and the next day was taking photos of it and noticed a heap of chips all over the car but worse at the back. He went back to the dealer who agreed it must be fixed and when the dealer rang him to say it was finished they had got the touch up guys just to blow in the areas affected. When he complained and insisted on a new car he was told that they cant do that. He then took his number plates off the car, de-registered it and cancelled the insurance and left the car there, the matter is now in the hands of solicitors. Seems we need to be really carefull before taking delivery of new cars, inspect it with a white light or under fluros this is becoming all too common.

Scott

Pickles
01-11-2010, 12:03 PM
It would be good if you could keep us posted with that one....As I've said, I do know a guy who had his Maloo resprayed....he was/is a man NOT to be trifled with.
Cheers, Pickles.

bigdaddy
01-11-2010, 12:34 PM
Well it's gone to a new home now.

gdzook
01-11-2010, 07:00 PM
funny I wouldnt mess this this guy either! Its a real problem though and I will ask him of his progress next time I see him.

Scott

09gts125
04-11-2010, 09:26 PM
hsv really need to pick up there customer service cause it is becoming a joke. they don't seem to understand that some people work damn hard for their money and put there faith into purchasing a hsv new car that is supposed to be flawless and end up with a horrible nightmare. fixing a problem is not just put a band aid on it and have the she'll be right attitude, $70k is a hell of alot of money.

09gts125
04-11-2010, 09:35 PM
hey gdzook
as you have seen i had a real head snap with hsv, as they have said to me they won't replace the vehicle because if they do it once they have to do it for all. hope your poor mate gets his car fixed "properley" .
cheers steve!

whiteman69
05-11-2010, 01:37 PM
car was very badly covered all over with rust spots. ahg said talk to hsv, after 4 weeks hsv clay bared the car taking a layer of paint off in doing this. after asking panel shops around perth they said clay barring is ok but MUST spray a coat of clear back on (never happened). anyway 4 weeks later rust came back through, hsv say i have to sort it out with gm and ppg (paint specialst) in 5 weeks, i was given the wrong date so then they said i would have to wait 4 more weeks, i lost the plot told them to shove it and lost $23,000. ahg city motors bought the car again of me (gave me $63,000, i paid $85,400), saying thats all we can give you and put it straight on the lot knowing well the problem just changing the number plates. DOGS!!!!!!!

Sorry to hear about all your bad luck. Im guessing you didn`t go with the paint protection ,would of been interesting to see what they said then.
I do have to question why panel shops were telling you that clay barring the car takes off a layer of paint and that it needs to be clear coated again. I and many other forum members have clay barred our cars and all that it does is remove baked on dirt etc that washing cant remove so that the paint is then clean and ready for polishing or waxing.
I hope this episode does not keep you away from the HSV product as like you said they are a good car to drive.

gdzook
06-11-2010, 08:41 PM
hi steve,
its really bad that hsv treat people this way but i am pretty sure this fella with the maloo will get his money back or sparks will fly!

SAcott

09gts125
20-11-2010, 09:28 PM
keep us informed gdzook, it will be interesting to hear this out come. cheers.