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Nitrate
16-07-2015, 01:27 PM
Interesting development :)

AUSTRALIAN carbon-fibre parts specialist Quickstep Holdings has won its first vehicle parts contract, producing engine-bay components for a high-spec local vehicle due for release in the first half of 2016.

The parts are expected to be used on a Holden Commodore V8 model, probably a low-volume special edition, lthough Quickstep would give no details about the manufacturer or the model.

The contract is the first Quickstep has won since establishing its automotive division at the carbon-fibre hub on the Waurn Ponds campus of Deakin University, near Geelong, and comes as Ford in the US last week confirmed it had sealed a deal with wheel-maker Carbon Revolution – also based in the Deakin precinct – to supply Ford’s Shelby Mustang GT350R with its hitech lightweight carbon-fibre wheels.

Quickstep has for years been making aerospace-grade parts for plane-makers like Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin and is already in discussions with several European car manufacturers.
It has been working closely with Audi in a program funded by the German government to prove the viability of a carbon-fibre roof panel as a structural member.

Quickstep chief executive David Marino said the company would soon receive details of the Australian order, which will entail the production of up to 1000 parts for 2016.

He said the carbon-fibre part would replace a part now made in another material and would start the process of
demonstrating what carbon-fibre can do for car-makers. “When you open the bonnet you see valances, ducts and hose sorts of elements. It will be in that range of products,” he said. “It is part of the m*** reduction process that the car-makers are implementing and, certainly, will give the vehicle some features that customers will like when they open the bonnet.”

Mr Marino said deliveries under the new contract would start in 2016 and be produced in a much shorter timeframe than Quickstep is used to with its various aerospace contracts. “Importantly, this demonstrates
our serial production capabilities and represents early success for the first phase of our automotive strategy,” he
said. “Over the next 18 months, we will target small-volume automotive projects of about 500 to 2000 parts per annum, as we increase our volume capability to secure larger projects.”

Mr Marino said the Quickstep technology is suitable for flat products like bonnets and door skins as it uses a one-sided tool or mould.

I asked Graeme what his thoughts were (original source):

The GTS R is still happening in a development sense and whilst I cannot confirm its signed of - I feel that it is

They are planning various special stuff and accessories that can be retro fitted to previous models to keep the revenue stream going for as long as they can . . .

I had a long chat with Crenno about doing the w**** "Porsche Exclusive" thing in the HSV world and in the end it sort of got handed to WP in their early days and never got the right approach from that entity - although I did have a long meet with WP (CP and the late Alan Hale) when they first started down at Elfin in Braeside which provide a few tricky things - but not anywhere near as much as we discussed

I actually drew the WP DD exhaust tip for them that day and they at least went ahead with that - which was pretty neat back in the day

Somebody needs to provide parts send backup into the future and Holden (HSPO) probably aren't interested so HSV are going to make it part of the overall "Fusion Automotive" Business

Nath
16-07-2015, 01:35 PM
Interesting development :)

He said the carbon-fibre part would replace a part now made in another material and would start the process of
demonstrating what carbon-fibre can do for car-makers. “When you open the bonnet you see valances, ducts and hose sorts of elements. It will be in that range of products,” he said. “It is part of the m*** reduction process that the car-makers are implementing and, certainly, will give the vehicle some features that customers will like when they open the bonnet.”



lets hope its as pretty as what bmw did with the CSL... without the price tag!

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1019558&d=1398871703

Shame he made no mention of a carbon roof included in the scope, lets hope there is!

lmoengnr
16-07-2015, 05:09 PM
Have heard Quickstep are very good,

As well as the aerospace bits, they do a few one off jobs for motorcycles.

Good to see they're into the automotive business.

GenF-GTS
16-07-2015, 05:16 PM
Cool that it will be under bonnet stuff, would have been even cooler if we could have dropped large amounts of weight though all over the car not just under the hood.

JWM
16-07-2015, 05:25 PM
Someone mentioned one of the possible engines (forget which) for a potential GTS-R would need an OTR intake... That would catch your eye in carbon when you pop the bonnet...

I wonder if 1000 pieces means 1000 cars?


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white_lie
16-07-2015, 05:38 PM
I would think less than 1000 vehicles as they'll need a spare parts inventory

JimG
16-07-2015, 05:44 PM
Someone mentioned one of the possible engines (forget which) for a potential GTS-R would need an OTR intake... That would catch your eye in carbon when you pop the bonnet...

I wonder if 1000 pieces means 1000 cars?


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LS9 I believe - GEN F GTS and others can probably confirm this.
Yes, will llok great

GenF-GTS
16-07-2015, 05:52 PM
Someone mentioned one of the possible engines (forget which) for a potential GTS-R would need an OTR intake... That would catch your eye in carbon when you pop the bonnet...

I wonder if 1000 pieces means 1000 cars?


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Yes the throttle body placement on the LS9 is a bit awkward because on the ZR1 Corvette it uses an OTR, if you used an air box like we currently use, it "may" work but might lose HP since the angles are very sharp, hence an OTR would make more sense.

Audi
16-07-2015, 10:42 PM
2016 the 20th anniversary of the GTS-R. Woot. Way to go out with a bang.

RCBVFGTS
17-07-2015, 02:55 AM
Interesting development :)

AUSTRALIAN carbon-fibre parts specialist Quickstep Holdings has won its first vehicle parts contract, producing engine-bay components for a high-spec local vehicle due for release in the first half of 2016.

The parts are expected to be used on a Holden Commodore V8 model, probably a low-volume special edition, lthough Quickstep would give no details about the manufacturer or the model.

The contract is the first Quickstep has won since establishing its automotive division at the carbon-fibre hub on the Waurn Ponds campus of Deakin University, near Geelong, and comes as Ford in the US last week confirmed it had sealed a deal with wheel-maker Carbon Revolution – also based in the Deakin precinct – to supply Ford’s Shelby Mustang GT350R with its hitech lightweight carbon-fibre wheels.

Quickstep has for years been making aerospace-grade parts for plane-makers like Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin and is already in discussions with several European car manufacturers.
It has been working closely with Audi in a program funded by the German government to prove the viability of a carbon-fibre roof panel as a structural member.

Quickstep chief executive David Marino said the company would soon receive details of the Australian order, which will entail the production of up to 1000 parts for 2016.

He said the carbon-fibre part would replace a part now made in another material and would start the process of
demonstrating what carbon-fibre can do for car-makers. “When you open the bonnet you see valances, ducts and hose sorts of elements. It will be in that range of products,” he said. “It is part of the m*** reduction process that the car-makers are implementing and, certainly, will give the vehicle some features that customers will like when they open the bonnet.”

Mr Marino said deliveries under the new contract would start in 2016 and be produced in a much shorter timeframe than Quickstep is used to with its various aerospace contracts. “Importantly, this demonstrates
our serial production capabilities and represents early success for the first phase of our automotive strategy,” he
said. “Over the next 18 months, we will target small-volume automotive projects of about 500 to 2000 parts per annum, as we increase our volume capability to secure larger projects.”

Mr Marino said the Quickstep technology is suitable for flat products like bonnets and door skins as it uses a one-sided tool or mould.

I asked Graeme what his thoughts were (original source):

The GTS R is still happening in a development sense and whilst I cannot confirm its signed of - I feel that it is

They are planning various special stuff and accessories that can be retro fitted to previous models to keep the revenue stream going for as long as they can . . .

I had a long chat with Crenno about doing the w**** "Porsche Exclusive" thing in the HSV world and in the end it sort of got handed to WP in their early days and never got the right approach from that entity - although I did have a long meet with WP (CP and the late Alan Hale) when they first started down at Elfin in Braeside which provide a few tricky things - but not anywhere near as much as we discussed

I actually drew the WP DD exhaust tip for them that day and they at least went ahead with that - which was pretty neat back in the day

Somebody needs to provide parts send backup into the future and Holden (HSPO) probably aren't interested so HSV are going to make it part of the overall "Fusion Automotive" Business


Hi Nitrate

Many years ago, I'm talking the early to middle period of 2000 - 2008 there was much comment in regard to using carbon fibre for road cars as too after market replacement parts due to the way carbon fibre deforms upon impact. As you'd be aware, metal crumples and dents. Carbon fibre will shatter and break leaving large jagged pieces and this is the area of concern that was raised many years ago for pedestrian safety, rather the same as bullbars on 4wd's and the damage it was causing pedestrians upon impact.

I, we both know that there are numerous cars on the market in Australia that now use carbon fibre panels and parts however these are all high end imported sports cars. Can you or Graeme see carbon fibre parts such as front bars, bonnets etc. produced and fitted to locally produced vehicles over this issue or will too become something else for safety groups to whinge about like bullbars?

I'm also wondering if in fact this order may be for Ford? I say this because apparently there is a special redevelopment of the XR6 Turbo happening and due for release in the first half of 2016 which I can't recall I read last week or watched a video on YouTube by Mark Short who made comment on this. Ford have always targeted the XR6T at the ***** guy and it has proven exceptionally popular there and of course all *****er guys love/drool over carbon fibre. Might make sense for Ford to release a limited special edition of the XR6T too.

Graeme can correct me on this, but would it be correct to say, or we shouldn't expect there to be a GTS-R type of vehicle until 2017? If that's the case, what would HSV be fitting carbon fibre parts to in 2016?

P.S. I had no idea that Graeme designed the Double "D" exhaust tips. They are the first thing I fit to any VX I purchase as there is no better looking exhaust tip on the market for that period of vehicle.

Nath
17-07-2015, 11:30 AM
2016 the 20th anniversary of the GTS-R. Woot. Way to go out with a bang.

:)

richo7502000
17-07-2015, 01:49 PM
2016 the 20th anniversary of the GTS-R. Woot. Way to go out with a bang.

Yes, that would make the most sense for a release!!!

Strick
17-07-2015, 07:39 PM
This is great news in my opnion, we will all have a great range of HSVs will good bits installed.

Plus, yes i know its a HSV forum but im a car guy, I hope they do have a revised XR6T. They are a great car and have a big presence in their part of the market. I still hope Ford/FPV/what ever they are now, release a GTHO or similar as a finial release. Fantastic for the Australian car market before it changes for ever.

richo7502000
07-08-2015, 10:00 AM
http://goautomedia.cdn.on.net/goautonews/GoAutoNews_785.pdf

Senator01
07-08-2015, 12:01 PM
So you have to drive with your bonnet open to show everyone ...

richo7502000
07-08-2015, 01:07 PM
So you have to drive with your bonnet open to show everyone ...

Id think Possibly carbon bonnet... Maybe roof??? and intake ducts etc

Audi
07-08-2015, 07:00 PM
Interesting read Richo, wonder what it is. My bets engine cover haha.

white_lie
07-08-2015, 07:33 PM
Interesting read Richo, wonder what it is. My bets engine cover haha.
Haha how much of a let down would that be!
I reckon an intake, hopefully a few dress up/trim pieces as well

hsv-cigars
07-08-2015, 08:52 PM
i think it will be simple add on pieces like engine covers , and some bits and pieces in the interior like trims and door handles . maybe exhaust tips and some other external pieces . most of some carbon parts ive already seen you can get on ebay for the GEN F . Would be awesome if there was a full carbon bonnet and boot and side skirts but i dont know if that sort of thing would match with the rest of what color the car is painted . i think it would only look good on a black car . that full carbon wrap walkinshaw version looked hot .

Audi
07-08-2015, 09:17 PM
Yeah no major weight saving so i'd say no big carbon panels. Tbh a carbon bonnet would drop what 20kg max? Ideally the car could lose 200kg!

GenF-GTS
07-08-2015, 10:07 PM
As said before the LS9 throttle body is in a weird location so there is a high chance it could be a carbon fiber OTR similar to the W427 OTR that was used previously.

Audi
07-08-2015, 11:23 PM
Yeah the more you mention the LS9 the more I believe its happening. TBH it ****ing has to. Who in this day will pay an extra 30+ k of 30kw without it coming with exclusivity.

pir4te
08-08-2015, 07:31 AM
Who's to say it's going to be a sedan?
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/07/06b9740660c14dc7a679513ca34373db.jpg
Carbon LT4 Tourer, ooh yeah :)

RCBVFGTS
08-08-2015, 08:47 AM
It would be even better Pirate if there was enough room in the back to lay down with a hot blonde and errrrr..............ummmmmm............ go to sleep.

Senator376
08-08-2015, 11:03 AM
I'm Guessing 460KW and 800NM, as opposed to the ZR1 power rating of 476KW and 819NM.

JimG
08-08-2015, 11:43 AM
I'm Guessing 460KW and 800NM, as opposed to the ZR1 power rating of 476KW and 819NM.

Why de rate it, LS9 isn't used in production cars anymore

Andrew_02
08-08-2015, 12:00 PM
carbon boot/bonnet door skins, as they say parts that only require a one side finish are much cheaper
to make.

If you could buy carbon parts for a 13/15 HSV that would save 200kg thats 10% less weight how much
power would it take to equal that? 80kws and what would it be worth in mods, no warranty issues guaranteed
fuel saving and would stand out but not too much and you could take your parts off for sale
the commodore went from 1550 to 1850 kgs due to airbags and speakers and cables.
the V8 supercar stripped is about 450kgs less that a VF after all the race add ons.

why don't we use optical fibre cables in car it does bend and can be joined, runs front to rear
of a car would save some weight and ofca is not that costly now you would be using ofca cables
now from your tv to blueray player/sound system. cheers

Senator376
08-08-2015, 12:17 PM
Why de rate it, LS9 isn't used in production cars anymore

460KW according to rumors on the other thread but I hope it's not detuned and we get 476KW:)

Angeldust
09-08-2015, 09:23 AM
Who's to say it's going to be a sedan?
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/07/06b9740660c14dc7a679513ca34373db.jpg
Carbon LT4 Tourer, ooh yeah :)


Now that is the body style for me.. a 2 door wagon! (at least I hope it is, not just a ute with a canopy..)

bonners
19-09-2015, 12:01 AM
bonnet is the tip I've heard. Add a carbon wing.... mmmmmmmmm I love carbon