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mickyinc
13-12-2014, 02:39 AM
http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/cars-for-sale/2001-HSV-SENATOR-300-VX-JCM3513720?backurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.justauto.com.a u%2Fjustcars%2Fsearch%3Fcurrent_page%3D1%26urlname %3D%26search_location_state%3D%26search_vehicle_ty pe%3DCAR%26search_type_make%3DHSV%26search_type_mo del%3DHSV_SENATOR%26search_details_earliest_year%3 D%26search_details_latest_year%3D%26search_details _lowest_price%3D%26search_details_highest_price%3D %26condition_search%3D%26uselistview%3Dfalse%26key words%3DWhat%2Bare%2Byou%2Blooking%2Bfor%253F&backtext=Results

mickyinc
13-12-2014, 02:52 AM
This is a pic from the release in 2001

http://www.hsv.com.au/images/cars/vx/senator300/senator300_45px.jpg

GenF-GTS
13-12-2014, 03:12 AM
Being number 1 it's worth more, how much more? No idea.....there are quite a few similar VX's with the C4B engine though.

mickyinc
13-12-2014, 03:54 AM
Its only worth what someone's willing to pay. Like it says in the ad , they were 100k back in 2001
In 2001 I could buy a packet of smokes and half dozen jimmy's for under $15 now it would cost minimum $45. Theres the cost of living difference. Todays money that senator would be 300k

My TB and MSD intake are here, the fools posted it via U.S postal so I cant get it for 8 days or so

mickyinc
13-12-2014, 03:56 AM
Whats everyone's thoughts on this

Pickles
13-12-2014, 08:30 AM
Build number 1/Press car. So, it hasn't just been driven to Church on Sundays by a little old lady?
Pickles.

HSVGTS125
13-12-2014, 09:03 AM
For one, inflation hasn't tripled in 13 years. So in today's money it wouldn't be 300k. If anything you would pay less (compare VX SS $46k to VF SS $42k).
I'd be hard pressed to pay almost 50 for that. 30 at most, and that's if you're a die hard wanting #001.

A VT2 GTS would be nicer

mickyinc
13-12-2014, 12:23 PM
That's probably true mate , but if all the original components are there , it can be rebuilt. You think its worth the coin if its in good condition?

XR8TEDVY2
13-12-2014, 12:25 PM
It's a fantastic car with super low k's but still only worth 30 at most.

mickyinc
13-12-2014, 12:35 PM
true if looked at it that way but I was comparing it to 2001 and the car bought then in relation to income earned, 2001 rent $130 same house today to rent $510,a carpenter would have earned $30per hr today avg would be $45 , calculate in todays dollars from those figures, with cost of living , if you bought that car today it would cost you 300k.
I don't know how your travelling in the industry your in, but in the building industry in the last 24yrs the wages have not even double, but cost of living has increased 5 fold on avg, yep cars have been the cheapest they've ever been , that's a fact, but everything else ,food ,petrol, power, property, has increased massively compared to wages

mickyinc
13-12-2014, 12:37 PM
Ok ive got a valuation at $30k , anyone else got a price?

GenF-GTS
13-12-2014, 12:37 PM
I feel being a senator 1 of many VX's that came out with the C4B engine that it's just not a sought after car, so its never going to be viewed as rare so to speak since there are similar....some even better models too.

To get the sought after status the car should have been involved in some sort of race or highly unique event, case in point the HRT427

I know this car is no HRT427 but I don't feel it is going to be worth loads of money at any point as there is just too many similar C4B cars.

Didn't the VX GTS Coupe come with a C4B? that would be worth much more and hold value over this.
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?silo=stock&vertical=car&q=%28%28%28%28%28%28SiloType%3d[Brand+new+cars+in+stock]|SiloType%3d[Brand+new+cars+available]%29|SiloType%3d[Dealer+used+cars]%29|SiloType%3d[Demo+and+near+new+cars]%29|SiloType%3d[Private+seller+cars]%29%26%28Make{%3d}[Holden+Special+Vehicles]{%26}%28Model{%3d}[Coupe]{%26}Badge{%3d}[GTS]%29%29%29%26Service%3d[Carsales]%29&WT.z_srchsrcx=makemodel&sortby=TopDeal

On car sales the GTS Coupe range from $37,500 to $65,000....that's already more than this 1 of 30 car......

white_lie
13-12-2014, 01:07 PM
It's not worth 48k, plain and simple. There were plenty of cars with a 100k price tag back then, doesn't mean they're worth more now.

How many kms has it done, what are the other details on it, how much has it been modified?

Most people would probably pay more for #1, I personally wouldn't and would price it the same as all the other Senator 300's out there. 30k tops like everyone is saying in the current market

mickyinc
13-12-2014, 02:41 PM
Ok valid points . have to remember that im chasing senators , nothing else just senators.
Im not chasing financial gain either, if I was I'd just go buy some CBA shares.
personally a HSV is a HSV , its a commodore with add ons, and when it comes down to a commodore with add ons whats the lowest number of cars built in any one model?
Im waiting on an email from the owner for more picks and information on it, its done a heap of ks 180 I think, but would treat this as a resto

white_lie
13-12-2014, 02:49 PM
5th or 10th Anniversaries are what you would be after

Pickles
13-12-2014, 06:53 PM
If that car makes $30K, the owner will be blessed,...& it won't be my dollars.
Pickles.

white_lie
13-12-2014, 07:41 PM
Martin's got a point.
That other one was up for half the price with under 70k on the clock albeit modified but if you were looking at resto's, I'd start with lower kms as that's the only thing you can't replace. If it's got over 100 on the clock, he's dreaming... In fact, if it's got over 50 on the clock, he's dreaming even asking 30 for it.

Strick
13-12-2014, 10:31 PM
Its worth what someone will pay. if your happy with 40 pay 40. but remember your search will be long, dont buy the first one yiu see unless its perfect.

howd you got with that VZ

mickyinc
14-12-2014, 08:35 PM
OK,
I bought a v6 captiva for the GF yesterday so when a spanking one comes up I have points on the board.
It hasn't got original rims, radiator is after market, has an otr...
Whats a 5th or 10th anniversary Whitelie?



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mickyinc
14-12-2014, 08:37 PM
So if I made an offer , what would I offer him?
Basically I have to look for something with 30-50k on the clock, in mint condition, I should hv bought that vs

Strick
14-12-2014, 08:52 PM
Thought you wanted low KM examples? Dont rush it mate, 1 and 2s of all the vehicles you are chasing come up.

5th, 10th and 20th anniversaries are special badged HSV. I believe they are usually top of the line with some extras on board such as badging. Even less made than the "mainstream" lines.

http://www.hsv.com.au/E3/25years/Moment24.aspx

Not sure what happened for the 15th, must of been sleeping!

white_lie
14-12-2014, 09:22 PM
5th Anniversary was in the VP range, you'd want to look for a 5th Anniversary VP Senator 5000i IMO, only 30 of those made and being 25 years old, they're getting very hard to find in good nick. The regular 5th Anniversary Senators are rarer, only 15 made but the 5000i version is/was definitely the one to have.

10th Anniversary fell in the VT range, which is where you get the 10 10th Anniversary Senator Signatures, all with the HRT blueprinted motor.

KAL SPL
14-12-2014, 11:16 PM
Gauges on a pillar
Different pedal pads
Worn handbrake
Dirty door jambs
Aftermarket wheels
I think dash surround should be piano black
Aftermarket stereo
Wayyy over priced


Do not want.

XR8TEDVY2
14-12-2014, 11:24 PM
Ok now I know the car has so many K's I retract the 30 k. Isn't it funny how every picture that is taken of the seats of these cars the drivers bolsters are conveniently not in the pictures. Lol

mickyinc
14-12-2014, 11:39 PM
Yeah low ks , but if only 30 made , ive already seen 4 that are horse shit now this so only 25 left
I Get what everyones saying and thank u all for the advice.... I'll be patient

mickyinc
14-12-2014, 11:52 PM
20th anniversary

http://australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle/191765-2007-ve-hsv-limited-edition--?query=hsv

Pickles
15-12-2014, 08:48 AM
20th anniversary

http://australianmusclecarsales.com.au/muscle/191765-2007-ve-hsv-limited-edition--?query=hsv
NOTHING "special" about that car, except that it's simply another HSV Sticker "Special".
Pickles.

HSVGTS125
15-12-2014, 09:37 AM
Search for a VR or VS blueprint model if you want rare.
You'll be waiting a while but would be worth it

mickyinc
16-12-2014, 06:19 PM
well I think the hardest part will be to get a " quick buy it" from you guys

KAL SPL
16-12-2014, 07:08 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HSV-Senator-Signature-195i-1999-1-of-50-built-Drag-Holden-Calais-Statesman-/331410359567?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4d2998c50f

Strick
16-12-2014, 08:46 PM
I found you a perfect VZ haha

mickyinc
18-12-2014, 07:54 PM
never thought of a senator wagon

mickyinc
18-12-2014, 07:55 PM
how many ks, is it in good nick, not to many modifications???? how much

HSVGTS125
18-12-2014, 10:27 PM
I'd buy a VY SS wagon before an older Senator one. Better car and still rare

mickyinc
18-12-2014, 11:08 PM
I'll stick with senator sedans ... just have to find them