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GlennXR6T
14-05-2004, 12:27 PM
What are your guys opinions of the BA falcon opposed to the VY?

-HSV-
14-05-2004, 12:40 PM
the general response here is obvious dont you think? VY maybe? :lol: :lol:

GlennXR6T
14-05-2004, 02:08 PM
What i meant by it was do some of you wish oyu got a ford or what? are you happy? When choosing what things made you choose the holden over the ford?

Thanks guys

SS
14-05-2004, 02:41 PM
Holdens so much better cause its like aprox 100kg lighter as in ss to xr8
Also majority of the comparos SS always wip the xr8 ass through straights, but xr8 does have bit better handling and nicer gearbox. BIT BETTER, but i,m a holden boi , i know holdens pick up more :P

GlennXR6T
14-05-2004, 02:47 PM
hehe the chicks like the pretty colours of the fords 8)
We got the BA because the XR6 Turbo was something new, the BA seems to hold it resale over the VY a bit more *flamesuit on* and the interior of the BA seems much higher quality :oops:
Oh and its fuggin quick!!!

ozemuscle1
14-05-2004, 10:22 PM
hehe the chicks like the pretty colours of the fords 8)
We got the BA because the XR6 Turbo was something new, the BA seems to hold it resale over the VY a bit more *flamesuit on* and the interior of the BA seems much higher quality :oops:
Oh and its fuggin quick!!!
yeh the BA is spose to be a bit better quality than the VY, however, for performance nuts, the VY represents a faster, cheaper car. tuning is about the same, although the BA Turbo ultimately has the tuning advantage over the VY, simply because it is factory turboed , and stronger than the GenIII.
but the HFV6 will own it IMO :p

-HSV-
15-05-2004, 09:46 AM
i've always been a holden fan and always will. not matter how much better the ford's are going to get i'll always stick with holden.

some of you may find it a little childish but i really do have a passion for holdens and im sure a lot of you others do as well :)

i bought a VT Calais over an AU for many reasons.

1. it was our mechanics car, therefore it was'and is immaculate.
2. the quality of the VT is by far greater than that of the AU, both inside and out.
3. the VT's keep their resale value better :P (dunno bout the 6's but the 8's do)
4. i fell in love with this particular VT, a VT Calais, its the most beautiful looking and sounding car that puts a smile on my face everytime i look at it, let alone drive it...
5. its quicker :P (225KW! on my Ps in vic ;) )

ozemuscle1
15-05-2004, 01:26 PM
i've always been a holden fan and always will. not matter how much better the ford's are going to get i'll always stick with holden.

some of you may find it a little childish but i really do have a passion for holdens and im sure a lot of you others do as well :)

i bought a VT Calais over an AU for many reasons.

1. it was our mechanics car, therefore it was'and is immaculate.
2. the quality of the VT is by far greater than that of the AU, both inside and out.
3. the VT's keep their resale value better :P (dunno bout the 6's but the 8's do)
4. i fell in love with this particular VT, a VT Calais, its the most beautiful looking and sounding car that puts a smile on my face everytime i look at it, let alone drive it...
5. its quicker :P (225KW! on my Ps in vic ;) )
true the VT was better than the AU, as was the VX, but the BA is better than the VY. having said that, i would take a VY SS over a BA XR-8, but the XR-6t over the supercharged 6

Andrew5
16-05-2004, 12:33 AM
wow your all being so polite and reserved, i own HSV's for one simple reason, they are NOT Fords! LOL :D

-HSV-
16-05-2004, 01:59 PM
wow your all being so polite and reserved, i own HSV's for one simple reason, they are NOT Fords! LOL :D

haha im only being polite cos i dont wanna get flamed/start a flame war... and because no one else is baggin fords... too much ;)

GlennXR6T
16-05-2004, 03:28 PM
i've always been a holden fan and always will. not matter how much better the ford's are going to get i'll always stick with holden.

some of you may find it a little childish but i really do have a passion for holdens and im sure a lot of you others do as well :)

i bought a VT Calais over an AU for many reasons.

1. it was our mechanics car, therefore it was'and is immaculate.
2. the quality of the VT is by far greater than that of the AU, both inside and out.
3. the VT's keep their resale value better :P (dunno bout the 6's but the 8's do)
4. i fell in love with this particular VT, a VT Calais, its the most beautiful looking and sounding car that puts a smile on my face everytime i look at it, let alone drive it...
5. its quicker :P (225KW! on my Ps in vic ;) )
true the VT was better than the AU, as was the VX, but the BA is better than the VY. having said that, i would take a VY SS over a BA XR-8, but the XR-6t over the supercharged 6
I reckon the VY supercharged is a bit of a joke no offence intended though. It has so much potential, but its supercharged but only has a 20kw gain? :shock:
With the AU, we have both BA and AU series 2 and the AU is mechanically excellent, its only had one thing done to it in the 3 years of ownership we've had it for, and that was oil leaking on the steering rack, the dealer noticed it when it was a year old. I think the VT was a much better looking car though.
I'm a ford man through and through but if i see a nice holden, i can still apreciate it. My dads boss has a VY series 1 SS in hothouse green, the turbo can beat it but it's still an excellent looking car. The last holden we owned was a 1989 VN commodore and it was the reason we changed to ford! it used to always have something wrong with it so we sold it, bought an EF falcon, no probs, bought an AU and so on. I cannot wait till the new commodore comes out to compare the two models. I reckon ford might have so work their arses off to compete with it.

Glenn

-HSV-
16-05-2004, 04:51 PM
reckon ford might have so work their arses off to compete with it.

too right, especially if they're going to keep they're 6 engine with the same power figures, otherwise they're going to have some trouble keeping up at the lights against holden's new 6!

GlennXR6T
16-05-2004, 07:44 PM
reckon ford might have so work their arses off to compete with it.

too right, especially if they're going to keep they're 6 engine with the same power figures, otherwise they're going to have some trouble keeping up at the lights against holden's new 6!
They should pep up the XR6 N/A a bit more, but 182kw for a standard engine isn't too bad. 8)

ozemuscle1
16-05-2004, 09:27 PM
the current pushrod V6 in the commodore is a joke, no doubt about it. it is harsh, noisy, and lacks power, but does the job.
yes the AU wasnt that bad for most people, but it was hampered with problems at its launch, and did nothing for its image. shoddy brakes, harsh ride, sloppy engine, all sent it down the drain. it did improve, but still overall wasnt as good as the commodore. the BA fairly well owns the VY in every area.

Red Hot and Sexy Maloo
19-05-2004, 07:49 AM
I own a y series Maloo, and i get more looks than the falcon equivilant, i bought my ute off the showroom floor at the Brisbane motor show, it just looked streets ahead of anything else in the showroom, instant love.
Yes the Ford guys have picked up there act, but i ask all the ford lovers what did you drive before the BA, last good ford made was the XY, long time between drinks XXXX
Have a look at the car sales over the last 15 years, Holden #1, yep the VY outselling the BA, that must be telling something.
Cheers

white_lie
19-05-2004, 01:18 PM
Although I do like the XR6 Turbo's as I think they have great potential, i'm a V8 man at heart and always will be. The torque that a V8 has over a V6 cannot be compared. This is also why i've chosen Holden over Ford.

While the Ford V8 is a step ahead of the old pushrod Gen3, it has an extremely long stroke and thus is almost at its full potential in terms of power limits. The Gen3 easily makes over 300kW with bolt ons and there are a heap of 12 second Gen3's around with only bolt on mods. The BOSS V8 isn't made to rev out past its factory limit so I don't believe it poses any threat to the Gen3 even if it is a much newer motor with far better technology. It still has a design flaw and thats a major draw back from my point of view.

SirHSV
19-05-2004, 04:46 PM
I must confess to a sin I have driven the new FPV GT-P it was orange. IT WAS A FRIENDS CAR. Anyway after the drive I was impressed by what FPV have done with the vehicle. I love the start button, jumped into the car put the key in and turned nothing happening then I though straight of its a Ford it doesn’t want to start great then my friend pointed to the start button hmm neat. Tip Tronic cool but I’m not a fan of it, I still prefer the manual feel. I must give the FPV GT-P the thumbs up, but I think HOLDENS still rule no matter what Ford come out with. But I think for Australia it is a positive note that Ford have lifted there game, Holden needs true competition finally,, its been lonely at the top :lol:

ozemuscle1
19-05-2004, 06:25 PM
Although I do like the XR6 Turbo's as I think they have great potential, i'm a V8 man at heart and always will be. The torque that a V8 has over a V6 cannot be compared. This is also why i've chosen Holden over Ford.

While the Ford V8 is a step ahead of the old pushrod Gen3, it has an extremely long stroke and thus is almost at its full potential in terms of power limits. The Gen3 easily makes over 300kW with bolt ons and there are a heap of 12 second Gen3's around with only bolt on mods. The BOSS V8 isn't made to rev out past its factory limit so I don't believe it poses any threat to the Gen3 even if it is a much newer motor with far better technology. It still has a design flaw and thats a major draw back from my point of view.
the I6 of the Ford is amazingly torquey. the FPV F6 Typhoon make 550nm, yes thats 550nm. the most EVER in an aussie production car. and it makes this at 2500rpm. the BOSS V8 is a good cruising motor, not really good for all out performance, being so heavy

jpsauto
23-06-2004, 03:16 PM
errrr what can i say GO THE HOLDENS hehe ..............well i own a holden, in fact i own 4 holdens hehe and to sugest that a falcon will hold it value over a holden is just the silliest thing ive ever heard.....might be in another state??? well thats all from me
:)

-HSV-
07-07-2004, 04:01 PM
errrr what can i say GO THE HOLDENS hehe ..............well i own a holden, in fact i own 4 holdens hehe and to sugest that a falcon will hold it value over a holden is just the silliest thing ive ever heard.....might be in another state??? well thats all from me
:) yer thats right, i see VN's ion the paper all the time for around 8K but the EB's for around 2K...

big difference there...

muzza88
02-08-2004, 06:22 PM
the I6 of the Ford is amazingly torquey. the FPV F6 Typhoon make 550nm, yes thats 550nm. the most EVER in an aussie production car. and it makes this at 2500rpm. the BOSS V8 is a good cruising motor, not really good for all out performance, being so heavy

try the monaro 427C. it has 780Nm of torque. but this is not just any production car

-HSV-
02-08-2004, 08:01 PM
the I6 of the Ford is amazingly torquey. the FPV F6 Typhoon make 550nm, yes thats 550nm. the most EVER in an aussie production car. and it makes this at 2500rpm. the BOSS V8 is a good cruising motor, not really good for all out performance, being so heavy

try the monaro 427C. it has 780Nm of torque. but this is not just any production caryer, the F6 WILL be/IS the most torquey aussie production car.

evil_ss
23-09-2004, 11:04 PM
what i find funny is that a vy ss s2 can beat a gt in 0-100 and 1/4 when the gt is supposed to be fords top liner. Then you get the R8 vs the gt and theres no camparison and thats handling braking acclertion etc, read motor r8 vs gt.Then drive both................cant wait for my new SS

-HSV-
24-09-2004, 10:33 AM
what i find funny is that a vy ss s2 can beat a gt in 0-100 and 1/4 when the gt is supposed to be fords top liner. Then you get the R8 vs the gt and theres no camparison and thats handling braking acclertion etc, read motor r8 vs gt.Then drive both................cant wait for my new SS

...and the XR6T is also quicker than the GT from memory... now thats funny!

Shane
23-10-2004, 02:37 PM
I think the holden SS beats the GT cause of the weight. Sure its got alot more power but weight has a big play in that. GO HOLDEN!

Tim
24-10-2004, 03:10 PM
I am a true Holden man, but I also love all things Aussie. We could argue till we are blue in the face but the true winner in this is the Aussie Muscle car. Whether it be GMH or Ford Australia we have a car industry that the yanks are envious of. The BA is a fantastic car, a huge leap from the AU. Is tough looking and it has removed the boredom from the V8 supercar championship. Good on you ford for finally moving forward. In response to this holden has to lift its game to stay on top. This is an exciting time as they battle for supremacy, and the real winners in it is the Australian motoring Enthusiasts.......us.

YabSupreme
04-01-2005, 06:29 PM
5. its quicker :P (225KW! on my Ps in vic ;) )

Sorry I'm confused I just joined forum and was reading through the how old is everyone thread in about June 2004 you said you were 16 turning 17 september, and now you are saying you have your P's in vic? At the date you posted this you still would have been 16... Did you mean your L's?

-HSV-
05-01-2005, 01:35 AM
5. its quicker :P (225KW! on my Ps in vic ;) )

Sorry I'm confused I just joined forum and was reading through the how old is everyone thread in about June 2004 you said you were 16 turning 17 september, and now you are saying you have your P's in vic? At the date you posted this you still would have been 16... Did you mean your L's?i was actually referring to 'when' i get my Ps :)

i get them this year woo :D

crisso
11-01-2005, 04:58 AM
boys and girls,

Holden nut from way back, just joined the site...I must admit, I did stray and currently drive an XR6T. AWESOME car, but I am on my way back, I want a HSV, 6L V8 ooo I can hear the growl of the engine right now...

I am planning on purchasing a Z series HSV around May.

The T is awesome, better than the SS, SV8, XR8 and anything else I test drove in October 2003...hence my move to Ford. Believe me, I copped sh!t for soooo long.

Anyway, I like the BA range, colours are better than Holden, interior is nicer, the T is damn quick...not an 8 though and the XR8 is waayyyy too heavy in the front end.

Hope to get to know some of you blokes in the future.

Chris

wagnman
13-01-2005, 12:30 PM
I traded my BA XR6 ute in on a Mazda Tribute v6 and to be honest the tribute craps on the ute in every aspect of build quality and practicality. I liked the ute alot but with a new baby it was a waste of space. The wife drives the tribute and loves it. My new wheels are a VYII SS wagon M6. My buisness partner has a BA XR8 M5 sedan and I think it drives like a bus! The xr8 has soft soggy suspention and a crapy shift on the five speed box. I think the interiors are of equal quality but my vy has climate control and I think the seats are better and the vy has much better driving position. The SS also looks better and I like the way it handles. Im not by any means a holden man though. I love anything fast and I think the xr6ts are cool cars I just think that nothing aussie built can come anywhere near any commodore with a gen111 (or the new ls2) when you are talking bang for bucks and if you want to talk quality, handling etc the fords and the holdens are so close it all comes down to what body style you like or some poxy brand loyalty that many peaple beat on about.

crisso
13-01-2005, 12:56 PM
I traded my BA XR6 ute in on a Mazda Tribute v6 and to be honest the tribute craps on the ute in every aspect of build quality and practicality. I liked the ute alot but with a new baby it was a waste of space. The wife drives the tribute and loves it. My new wheels are a VYII SS wagon M6. My buisness partner has a BA XR8 M5 sedan and I think it drives like a bus! The xr8 has soft soggy suspention and a crapy shift on the five speed box. I think the interiors are of equal quality but my vy has climate control and I think the seats are better and the vy has much better driving position. The SS also looks better and I like the way it handles. Im not by any means a holden man though. I love anything fast and I think the xr6ts are cool cars I just think that nothing aussie built can come anywhere near any commodore with a gen111 (or the new ls2) when you are talking bang for bucks and if you want to talk quality, handling etc the fords and the holdens are so close it all comes down to what body style you like or some poxy brand loyalty that many peaple beat on about.

I agree with most of what you said, however, bang for buck, the T has it...hence I bought one. Do not regret it one bit, but now I want back in an 8...bring on the LS2 :D

SS346
13-01-2005, 01:37 PM
Back in august 2002, i was in the market of purchasing a new car, the choice was between a Subaru sti or a ba xr6t. well off to the soobi dealer i went, test drove the sti, not a bad car really, good looks, nice power ok interior, but there was no connection. :( canned that car.

Next i went to a ford dealer, to tell you the truth i really had my heart set on the xr6t from day one. iwas upset because the earliest delivery of th t was in three months time, i thought why would you advertise somthing you havnt got?. anyway done the usual, looked at brochures, sat in an example, had a good look and feel, i was not really impressed actually more dissapointed with the interior layout and quality, im a pretty short bloke yet i still had a problem with smashing my head against the damn pillar.

the salesman grabbed the keys and off we went for a test drive in an xr6t, should mention that it was a stinking hot day, (blue oval + orange circle dont mix :wink: ), at first he was driving, he then pulled over after a short while and offered a drive to me, needles to say i felt like a virgin in a porno store! so i hopped in the drivers seat put my seatbelt on and off we went, and just as im about to crack open the throttle the phone rings, so i pulled over and had a short and sweet chat.

I was all excited once again, looked around, left right, then cracked open the throttle! a millisecond went by, and i thought to myself, did i hit the throttle or footrest? then cough cough BANG!!!! WTF! the damn thing stalled on me and wouldnt start again, my face went pale white, all my dreams were shattered.

then and there i said to the salesman, "i will walk back mate thanks", so i did the foot patrol for 1.5 kays back home in 35+deg heat.

got on the blower to the local holden dealer (never owned a holden in my life) and teed up a meeting with a salesman, it was around 3pm, got there done the usual, test drove a vy sv8 and before i knew it iwas signing a deal for a vy ss with roof and leather, the rest is history, never look back.

I dont hate fords nor do i like them, im a tradesman mechanic and service alot of new cars, holden, toyota, ford mitsubishi etc etc... all cars have their problems, but my most unbiased opinion is that the fords always lead in the problem department, ea -ba.

My 2 cents worth :D

SS346
13-01-2005, 01:56 PM
This is my pride and joy.

crisso
13-01-2005, 03:03 PM
niiiiice, they do look classy in the silver, and the roof, I like!!!

Sorry to hear about the T woes.

wagnman
13-01-2005, 03:21 PM
Sweet SS mate. I love that silver paint its the same colour my SS wagon is. Nice burnout too. What time did you run? is it moded? Id love to see some drag time slip comparisons between say an xr6t with a full exhaust, and CAI, and a VY SS with the same mods. It dosnt prove much but itd be fun hey!

crisso
13-01-2005, 03:28 PM
Sweet SS mate. I love that silver paint its the same colour my SS wagon is. Nice burnout too. What time did you run? is it moded? Id love to see some drag time slip comparisons between say an xr6t with a full exhaust, and CAI, and a VY SS with the same mods. It dosnt prove much but itd be fun hey!
Quite a few of each out at WSID this evening dude, next time hey?

wagnman
13-01-2005, 03:34 PM
Were you raceing there tonight? Good one mate at least your actually useing it for what it was built for. How did you go? What do you think of the problems with the typhoons the motoring magazines have been bagging them for beeing slower than the xr6t and that the clutches can only take two or three good launches before they are stuffed.

crisso
13-01-2005, 03:38 PM
Were you raceing there tonight? Good one mate at least your actually useing it for what it was built for. How did you go? What do you think of the problems with the typhoons the motoring magazines have been bagging them for beeing slower than the xr6t and that the clutches can only take two or three good launches before they are stuffed.
Hold the praise mate, I was not racing. I can't afford to break it and not have my insurance co. cover me...

as for typhoon woes, these guys might not like us discussing these 'ford' things :?

jump on over to a ford forum, not FF and there is plenty of discussions...bad and good. If you want the link, PM me.

SS346
14-01-2005, 09:33 AM
Sweet SS mate. I love that silver paint its the same colour my SS wagon is. Nice burnout too. What time did you run? is it moded? Id love to see some drag time slip comparisons between say an xr6t with a full exhaust, and CAI, and a VY SS with the same mods. It dosnt prove much but itd be fun hey!

That night, i ran a best of 12.7 @ 115mph 2.62 60ft on street tyres, it was also 38degrees!

the vid is even better than the pic, there is 2 clear black marks for the first 3 gears :D

SS346
14-01-2005, 09:34 AM
forgot to mention that it is modded, full forged engine, custom cam and headwork.

SS346
14-01-2005, 09:38 AM
niiiiice, they do look classy in the silver, and the roof, I like!!!

yes they do look the part in silver,



Sorry to hear about the T woes.

no probs :) im not one bit regretfull i didnt buy the T.

c4b
14-01-2005, 10:22 PM
I've owned 2 Fords (last was an EF XR6) and three Holdens and I don't consider myself allied to either brand, so when I go shopping for a new car I'm only interested in what's the best at the time. Recently I was struck with an interesting problem........

I bought a new VTII GTS300 in 2000 so it was coming up time to replace it. The only mods to the car to date were an LS1EDIT and a bigger exhaust (mainly for sound purposes), the car would pull 245rwkw on the dyno all day long which equates to roughly 335kw at the engine.

My last couple of cars have been HSV's so I felt it was time for a change so I went straight to look at some Fords. First I drove a GT-P which was a beautiful looking car but sadly lacked power and generally felt inferior to my (now 3 year old) GTS in almost every way except maybe shift quality. The GT-P only had a 5 speed gearbox which seemed amazing in this day and age and the quality of little details like the grille (painted pressed alloy) just didn't compare to my GTS's (stainless mesh).

Next up it was time to test drive an XR6T, and as I had feared (having already owned one) the interior was "Yellow Cabs" all the way. I was pleasantly surprised with the agility of the car, but at the end of the day, I knew if I pulled up at a set of lights next to my old GTS in a new XR6T that there was no way I'd get to see anything but tail lights.

There was no point in even going to the holden dealer because I wouldn't consider an "SS" and the GTS on offer was basically the same spec's as my current ride (save for slightly more ridiculously bigger brakes).

What could I do? Well the solution was a bit different to what I had originally thought.

I dropped the GTS in to a highly respected V8 Supercar engine builder and 3 weeks later picked up my ride which now had a capacity of 6.3litres and pumped out 300rwkw's (405kw). And MY GOD IS IT SCARY!!!!!!!!

crisso
14-01-2005, 10:58 PM
I dropped the GTS in to a highly respected V8 Supercar engine builder and 3 weeks later picked up my ride which now had a capacity of 6.3litres and pumped out 300rwkw's (405kw). And MY GOD IS IT SCARY!!!!!!!!
So as to not hijack this thread, I vote you start a new thread telling us all about this major mod :D

I realise this was your first post, I too am new here, but hoping to gather much needed information about HSV's.

Chris

v8 veteran
27-01-2005, 09:50 AM
Hello crisso and Glumm....some XR6T Turbo forum boys here.mr X in another life.What am I doing here?I'm here to do some research on Clubsports is what!Haven't owned a Holden since my last VL in the late 80's and its been all Fords since.At the time I thought the build quality of early Commodores was a lot lower than the previous HQ-WBseries/LH-UCseries and like a lot of others I went to Ford.I had 13 Holdens before the VL including 4 Monaros,Sandman ute and a beautiful factory 350 HQ Statesman.

Having made up my mind aboout the Typhoon,I'm going to find out as much as I can about LS2 powered cars.I think Ford have a good car in the XR6Turbo.The GT's a nice car but Boss engine is too long in the stroke and has a very narrow uesful rev range..As for the Typhoon...........

I thought this would be my next car but dolllar for dollar the Clubsport kills it and other than another T with full options....(resale?) the Clubsport looks the goods.

Well..... off to explore the site with an open mind
:D

JWR57
08-03-2005, 08:53 PM
Hi there, my dad owns a XR8 ute, I've driven this car on a number of occasions and I always find the driving position difficult to make comfy for me! I'm only 6 foot tall,but with the seat right down and wound back a bit I still find myself looking at the top of the window screen bending my neck down to see out the window screen.The steering wheel is too low and He's on his 4th diff, My VX is not in the same era,BUT,It fells & drives much better than his XR which is 1 yr old....My vote is Holden for me....And him too! He's now buying a Maloo R8.

crisso
08-03-2005, 08:56 PM
He's now buying a Maloo R8.

tops choice

vassa_hsv
17-03-2005, 06:00 PM
-HSV- you would need a fair few mods to get from 179kw to 225kw...what mods have u done?

wagnman
15-06-2005, 12:41 PM
Hey JWR57 I just had to laugh when I read about your dads XR8, it seems he got one like the BA XR8 sedan my buisness partner got. This XR8 is such a pile of crap I cant believe it! It has only done less than 40000 km and its on its second engine (which has just in the last week started chewing through oil at a great rate) second clutch, the diff has been out of it three times,its been plagued with electrical probs from bad engine misses to stalling altogather and at one point it was at FORD for three weeks because they couldnt work out why it was running rough, in the end they had another new XR8 parked next to it in their workshop and they were swapping bits to and fro between the cars trying to get lucky and find how to fix it that way! :shock: I tell you what, he also has a brand new Honda Oddesy that he just found the back of all full of water on the week end where the rear door seal has been leaking HA HA HA HA! Must attract lemons hey? :twisted:

-HSV-
17-06-2005, 02:41 PM
-HSV- you would need a fair few mods to get from 179kw to 225kw...what mods have u done?i havnt done any, they were already done when i got the car.

the mods i do know of however are: extractors, exhaust, K&N filter, shaved head, ICE 8mm LPG/HEI leads, NGK plugs, and cam is unknown.

anthony
08-08-2005, 12:24 PM
errrr what can i say GO THE HOLDENS hehe ..............well i own a holden, in fact i own 4 holdens hehe and to sugest that a falcon will hold it value over a holden is just the silliest thing ive ever heard.....might be in another state??? well thats all from me

when u say falcon r u just refering to falcon or the hole ford company? i dont know much abot cars but the ford 351 GT has gained value since production and i saw 1 advertised for $150,000 in original condition

-HSV-
08-08-2005, 02:53 PM
errrr what can i say GO THE HOLDENS hehe ..............well i own a holden, in fact i own 4 holdens hehe and to sugest that a falcon will hold it value over a holden is just the silliest thing ive ever heard.....might be in another state??? well thats all from me

when u say falcon r u just refering to falcon or the hole ford company? i dont know much abot cars but the ford 351 GT has gained value since production and i saw 1 advertised for $150,000 in original condition welcome to the forums!

yeah, the older falcons were a nice beast. the 351 is a decent engine as well, one of my mates dad's has a 351 in his mustang, it goes quite well :)

kaylene long
10-08-2005, 06:01 PM
Yes, the 351 Ford motor is a nice motor, but we found 350 Chev to be more versatile in torque and straight line power. :D

Generation Motorsport
10-08-2005, 08:00 PM
the commodore has better brakes, better power, better driverbility, better handling, appart from that theres not much in it.....

Generation Motorsport
10-08-2005, 09:42 PM
i must admit, i like the falcon six, because we make a fortune out of them, they blow head gaskets on a regular basis, oil leaks.........love it.

the only reason we got a gen111, was to be fast.

we have run a XR6 turbo, big front mount, +15lb boost.... must admit, it was close, but not that close.

-HSV-
11-08-2005, 09:56 AM
i must admit, i like the falcon six, because we make a fortune out of them, they blow head gaskets on a regular basis, oil leaks.........love it.

the only reason we got a gen111, was to be fast.

we have run a XR6 turbo, big front mount, +15lb boost.... must admit, it was close, but not that close.the thing is, with those turbo 6 motors, they have so much potentional. i heard that when ford were playing with them they had around 300kw stock and had to tune them down quite a lot because they were potentionally going to steal sales from the V8 models. add some boost and a front mount and you'll have the ol' motor singing away quite well, at very little cost. if i were a ford driver, i would own one for sure :cool:

Generation Motorsport
11-08-2005, 02:28 PM
the reality is, its not hard to make a turbo motor go, it would be nice if GMH picked up the ball and ran with the alloytec twin turbo (a la torana show car), hell i'd own a pink one of dem bad boys.

-HSV-
12-08-2005, 05:26 PM
the reality is, its not hard to make a turbo motor go, it would be nice if GMH picked up the ball and ran with the alloytec twin turbo (a la torana show car), hell i'd own a pink one of dem bad boys.yeah, i remember at the motorshow i asked if i could have a peak under the bonnet, hehe, with no surprised the answer was a giggle and the words 'no' :p

kaylene long
16-08-2005, 05:01 PM
Holdens have more spunk!! They look meaner and a more angular car and of course being a Holden you dont have the glovebox falling out and the doors unable to be opened from the inside, classic problems with Fords. Holdens just seem to be finished interior wise a lot better than Fords. :lol:

kaylene long
17-08-2005, 08:00 PM
Crisso, bring you up to speed with the VZ 6 litre LS2 Clubsport, great car, great engine, heaps down low even more up top, standard HSV brakes, LS2 suspension, no good!! With 220kw yet alone 297kw like driving an executive with 400hp, recommend R8 or DTS spec car. :) :shock:

kaylene long
17-08-2005, 08:04 PM
Hi there GEN111 man, we agree it is easy to make an engine respond with turbo induction, but for how many kms at 300kws? No guarantee.

Generation Motorsport
05-09-2005, 07:40 AM
you are correct, at the end of the day, there is no substitute for cubic inch. i have owned, and built a host of different cars over the years (refer to "how old are ya" thread) including turbos, thats why i have a monaro. plenty of turbo 6's around here have only seen the back end of it. :wink:

thats when i can get the keys of molly. :shock:

springbok
02-12-2005, 03:09 PM
the general response here is obvious don’t you think? VY maybe? :lol: :lol:

Not really.... We may be Holden fans but te new Fords are nothing to be sneezed at. If Holden wasn’t worried, they wouldn’t have copied the new GTP so much...

I drove past a dealership couple nights ago and the Monaro is looking more the GTP with the stripes and rims... Go figure. :roll:

springbok
07-12-2005, 11:07 AM
hehe the chicks like the pretty colours of the fords 8)
We got the BA because the XR6 Turbo was something new, the BA seems to hold it resale over the VY a bit more *flamesuit on* and the interior of the BA seems much higher quality :oops:
Oh and its fuggin quick!!!
yeh the BA is spose to be a bit better quality than the VY, however, for performance nuts, the VY represents a faster, cheaper car. tuning is about the same, although the BA Turbo ultimately has the tuning advantage over the VY, simply because it is factory turboed , and stronger than the GenIII.
but the HFV6 will own it IMO :p


The upside....:-

1. The parts for mods are cheaper for Holden than Fords
2. The Holden are lighter which makes a difference to the qtr mile times

The downside...:-

1. Blue Power Performance (FORD) seems to be getting some hot results on the qtr mile times...
2. As you said, the BA seems a better quality

Think its safe to say the with the new BA and BF the competition is hotting up.... :shock:

HOLDEN 1
14-12-2005, 12:46 PM
The VY out classers the ba by miles GO HOLDEN :D

MattyMayhem
15-12-2005, 12:48 AM
There has always been a trend of Holden and Ford copying one another.....you will always get that in a tight competative market like this.

Although I am a Holden bloke, and ill shout "get a holden" to any ford I see, there are things about the fords that i like